[03:46:06] (PS1) Nathan Douglas: Adds per-term style support. [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 [06:53:03] (PS2) Siebrand: Adds per-term style support. [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [06:54:10] (CR) Siebrand: [C: -1] "(1 comment)" [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [10:40:00] Hi. I am trying to figure out if a certain thing is possible in SMW (probably via extension). [10:40:22] What I am envisioning is the result of a query in editable tabular format [10:40:51] so for example the query spits out all pages in category Foo and exposes their property bar for editing in a table. [10:40:56] Does anything like that exist? [12:41:41] I'm trying to use the latest SMW Version with Triple Stores [12:42:19] but so far, 4store and sesame have made many headaches to get running at all (if they do.. i'm not sure..) [12:42:27] and virtuoso crashes and refuses too [12:42:47] In the wiki page it tells me its easy and trivial... so am I doing something wrong? [12:54:29] Fannon: I don't know anything about it other than what I've heard from people - but does the wiki page really say that the process is easy and trivial? [12:54:58] Judging from the questions I've seen, that's not the case. [12:55:34] sorry, I'm just a bit frustrated now ;) [12:55:47] I've followed all instructions and it never worked [12:55:52] now I've got virtuoso working too [12:56:09] but it took me for each triplestore at least 2-3 hours of fixing (often in the code too) to get it working [12:56:17] Oh, man. [12:56:32] Is there any way you could write up the fixes you made? [12:56:47] It seems like a lot of people are running into the same set of problems. [12:56:54] I've written down a few, yes. Where could I do that? [12:57:12] Some Problems are surely specific to the OS and Version number [12:57:30] The wiki page that describes setting up a triplestore makes the most sense, I think - there should probably be a new "Troubleshooting" section. [12:58:16] Hm the Triplestores itself seem a little buggy too [12:58:40] 4store isn't maintained anymore? [12:59:18] I could add that Troubleshoot Heading if that makes sense and write down some of it [12:59:59] Oh - 4store itself is no longer maintained? I didn't know that. [13:00:37] Yes, I think a "Troubleshooting" section at the bottom of the "Help:Using SPARQL and RDF stores" page would make a lot of sense. [13:02:08] no, that was a question [13:02:09] ;) [13:02:16] sorry, dont want to spread confusion [13:03:21] it looks like it is still maintained.. just the latest release is a bit dated. Virtuoso seems to work best for me [13:05:07] That's good to know - Virtuoso could be the recommended solution. [13:05:41] I'm running benchmarks on the different solutions, but so far 4store and Sesame gave no performance improvement to default MySQL store [13:05:47] RAP sort of held that title early on, before it went unmaintained. [13:06:35] Ah - the performance stuff is interesting; I don't know if anyone has run benchmark tests. Of course, performance is only one of the reasons to use a triplestore. [13:07:02] yes, another is to have a SPARQL endpoint which is quiete nice [13:07:14] Right. [13:07:50] I'm too new to this maybe. Still lacking the big picture [13:09:09] You mean, of whether to use RDF or the standard relational DB? [13:09:37] I understand that there's a big difference and the concept is different [13:10:04] And using MySQL for Triple Storage is a bit of a hack, but it seems to work [13:10:29] Biggest disadvantage is the lack of SPARQL Querys [13:10:42] Yeah. [13:10:59] performance wise it seems to be no problem [13:11:00] Whether using MySQL is a hack or not is a matter of opinion, I guess. [13:11:34] yes, given the fact that some triples stores are using a relational database for storage too ;) [13:12:30] Well, when you get right down to it, it's all just storage. :) [13:12:38] And the #ask query language is very simple to use [13:12:55] so I absolutely understand that SMW should go with the MySQL Solution by default [13:15:46] I'll have to write down much of this anyway, but it will be german. If its helpful I can add something of it to the wiki pages here [13:16:14] Ah - well, even German is better than nothing. :) [13:16:27] I could summarize it in english ;) [13:16:50] Even better. :) [13:17:06] Is there a posibillity that if I set $smwgDefaultStore = 'SMWSparqlStore'; [13:17:19] that it's still using the MySQL DB for ask queries? [13:17:34] if something goes wrong or some cases.. [13:24:02] Fannon: I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. [13:26:23] Ok. Virtuoso works well now, but doesnt run faster or slower than if its turned off. [13:31:58] (PS3) Nathan Douglas: Adds per-term style support. [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 [13:38:27] (CR) Siebrand: [C: 1] "(1 comment)" [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [13:55:59] (CR) Yury Katkov: [C: 1] "Yaron, do you have time to have a look now?" [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57170 (owner: Vedmaka Wakalaka) [13:56:47] (CR) Yury Katkov: "Alexey, what's the status here?" [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53980 (owner: Vedmaka Wakalaka) [13:59:22] (CR) Yaron Koren: "Hi," [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57170 (owner: Vedmaka Wakalaka) [14:06:30] (PS1) Yaron Koren: Version 2.6-alpha; updated README [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85850 [14:06:31] (CR) Nathan Douglas: "(1 comment)" [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [14:10:12] (CR) Yaron Koren: [C: 2 V: 1] Version 2.6-alpha; updated README [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85850 (owner: Yaron Koren) [14:10:28] (Merged) jenkins-bot: Version 2.6-alpha; updated README [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85850 (owner: Yaron Koren) [14:19:24] (PS1) Yaron Koren: Fix for parsing inverse queries in template [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85851 [14:25:36] (CR) Yaron Koren: [C: 2 V: 1] Fix for parsing inverse queries in template [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85851 (owner: Yaron Koren) [14:25:38] (Merged) jenkins-bot: Fix for parsing inverse queries in template [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85851 (owner: Yaron Koren) [14:38:28] (CR) Foxtrott: [C: 2] Adds per-term style support. [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [14:38:30] (Merged) jenkins-bot: Adds per-term style support. [extensions/SemanticGlossary] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85820 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [15:03:10] If I want a Semantic Forms field to autocomplete based on username I just use the User namespace right? [15:18:53] (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2] Add current value into the textbox for googlemapsEditor [extensions/SemanticMaps] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85352 (owner: Jeroen De Dauw) [15:19:15] (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2] Update dependency checks and magic loading [extensions/Maps] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85339 (owner: Jeroen De Dauw) [15:22:57] Yeah, stupid question [15:23:17] btw thanks for creating the forms extension yaron! It's saved my bacon numerous times now [15:38:39] yaron: ohi [16:05:21] JeroenDeDauw: hello! [16:05:36] Oh, I missed all this stuff. [16:05:58] Ulfr: that's great to hear! Do you still have your autocomplete question from before? [16:06:18] yaron: Nope. Just plugged it in and it's working like a dream [16:06:27] Okay, cool. [16:07:18] yaron: Was having an issue with datetimepicker not going into the correct field in a multiple instance template but datepicker does okay [16:07:55] Ah - Stephan Gambke wrote that input type (as well as all the rest of SFI); so I don't know how much I can help with it. [16:08:10] He's not here right now; I would send him an email about it. [16:15:26] yaron: No skin off my nose, just noticed a relatively small bug. Would you happen to be able to shed any light on how I get eventcalendar to treat multiplate instances of a template on a page as discrete events and not a duration? [16:15:47] That's a... format in SRF? [16:16:42] Yeah, it's doing the same thing in calendar, but it would appear that subobjects solve my issue rather neatly [16:17:03] But eventcalendar doesn't handle subobjects well? [16:17:10] no, it does, I wasn't using them [16:17:17] Oh, I see. [16:17:25] I have a little doctor's appointment calendar, where a patient has one page with several appointments [16:17:45] I got a calendar with a yearlong bar on it after I populated it with two appointments twelve months apart [16:17:55] Ah. [16:17:58] That's not good. [16:18:11] Well, first thing I thought was "Well that's bloody expensive" [16:18:14] So you do still have an issue with it? I mean, subobjects are indeed the answer. [16:18:16] :) [16:18:40] No, I suspect I'm all set. For whatever reason as soon as I pose the question on IRC I find the documentation page I was looking for [16:19:47] That's my favorite kind of question. :) [17:03:07] yaron: next time you update SPL on referata, it is going to change roughly 100% of its own code ;p http://www.bn2vs.com/blog/2013/09/24/mediawiki-subpagelist-rewrite/ [17:03:27] Alright, good to know... [17:03:33] It still works, though, right? :) [17:08:04] yaron: It now has tests that prove it works ;p [17:08:39] yaron: you do need the ParserHooks library cloned as well now, if you do the git thing [17:08:55] Which requires ParamProcessor, though you already have that one I figure ;p [17:09:08] ParserHooks is an extension? [17:09:33] Well, I can look in the documentation. [17:12:11] JeroenDeDauw: those installation instructions are... not too helpful. [17:12:53] Can't there be a few lines explaining what needs to be installed, if you don't have Composer? [17:15:17] yaron: I will update that before release, and provide a tarball as well [17:15:30] Okay, cool. [17:15:31] yaron: you just need to get ParserHooks [17:15:38] And install it like any other MW extension [17:15:46] Alright. [17:44:30] Saruman: I recently started working with smw again, you'll be proud of me I am figuring stuff out ;) [17:49:29] One thing I was wondering though, is if you can assign a category to a page, not just a property, when you enter a value into a form. [18:04:26] Kensie: good to hear! [18:04:55] sure, why not. What you enter in a form is usually a field in a template [18:05:28] no reason why you couldn't use [[Category:{{{category|}}}]] [18:05:41] or a pulldown or another handy feature [18:07:05] Saruman: ah sorry I have a meeting [18:07:25] so I have a field in the form to imput a company name, and that is type page [18:07:51] but I want those pages to automatically be added to a category company so that I can use the company form to edit them by following the link [18:17:42] don't know how to do that [18:19:22] Kensie: found the answer for you: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Linking_to_forms#Pointing_red_links_to_a_form [18:19:37] Saruman: oh wow, thanks!! [18:24:02] np [21:17:26] (PS1) Nathan Douglas: Fixes incorrectly declared GraphViz graphsize parameter. [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85922 [21:26:17] yo all [21:26:33] Is there an easy way to tweak mediawiki to show more pages on each category page? [21:26:38] trying to avoid a spill over to a page 2 [21:41:13] drobbins: that's a question for the #mediawiki channel, but: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCategoryPagingLimit [21:49:04] yaron: okay [21:49:09] yaron: I have a question for you [21:49:28] yaron: what the hell is going on with my SemanticSignup? Here is the page: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Special:SemanticSignup [21:49:37] What a question! [21:49:46] yaron: here is the Form: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Form:CreateAccount [21:49:54] I seem to have caused it to explode. [21:50:44] Maybe upgrading to the latest SF will help? I don't know. [21:50:56] yaron: it was working before some edits. [21:51:15] What edits? [21:51:31] I tried to remove redundant stuff and reorganize things. Removed some standard input buttons that weren't really relevant for creating accounts. [21:52:26] I did move signupfields below the semantic form fields. [21:52:34] here are the changes: http://www.funtoo.org/index.php?title=Form%3ACreateAccount&diff=14264&oldid=9839 [21:52:39] (CR) Mwjames: "I don't have GraphViz installed, so I can't verify this change but if you say that it solves the issue mentioned in the bugs I'm more than" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85922 (owner: Nathan Douglas) [21:53:31] I think it's the section headers that are doing it, actually. [21:53:38] Though I still think you should upgrade SF. [21:53:50] I have a new upgraded testbed that I want to migrate to. [21:53:56] which I will be doing in the next few days. [21:54:10] however... if you can help me get this working right now, that will save me a lot of grief :) [21:54:15] then I promise to upgrade ASAP [21:56:09] yaron: is there a quick workaround for now? [21:56:12] that I could try? [21:56:22] Upgrade SF, maybe? [21:56:42] I can't really touch that without breaking other things. [21:56:45] The other quick workaround would be to replace the section headers with

,

, etc. [21:56:50] okay. [21:56:55] that's a quick workaround I can try [21:58:22] ok, tried it, still getting the UNIQ stuff displaying. [21:58:27] headers look great though :) [21:59:05] I bet it's because I'm using a definition list with the fields. [21:59:10] I bet that is somehow causing it to die. [21:59:46] gah, that didn't fix it. [22:00:28] hrm. [22:02:49] yaron: I just updated semantic forms and it still appears broken. [22:03:00] Oh well. [22:03:50] yaron: things are fixed when I move the SemanticSignup template above the form fields. [22:04:00] yaron: if you reload the page, it works now. [22:04:04] Cool. [22:04:16] was that a known bug in an earlier version of SemanticSignup? Or maybe an existing one? [22:04:57] I re-arranged the order becausing using the semantic maps widget causes the SemanticSignup fields to be cleared out -- which means the user has to go back and enter that data again. Icky. [22:05:23] I have to go - good luck with this. [22:05:41] okay [23:18:34] (CR) Nathan Douglas: "I think it's not the only bug of its kind (one of the bug reports above implies this) but I'll worry about those later ;-)" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85922 (owner: Nathan Douglas)