[14:31:00] <RndMA>	 Hi. Is there any way to enter empty dates into forms?
[14:31:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Jeroen De Dauw: Add to README [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79202
[14:31:59] <_ken_>	 RndMA, what do you mean empty?
[14:32:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2 V: 2] Add to README [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79202 (owner: Jeroen De Dauw)
[14:32:19] <RndMA>	 _ken_: I'd like to make date entry optional, but that doesn't seem possible
[14:33:22] <_ken_>	 Not sure if this helps:
[14:33:24] <_ken_>	 http://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Type_Date#Handling_of_incomplete_dates
[14:34:34] <RndMA>	 The issue is with forms forcing a date in, if it's done by hand, it works fine
[14:36:12] <_ken_>	 Well, I know you can do default=now within the form to specify to fill with the current date/time
[14:36:42] <_ken_>	 so maybe you could default= to a date well in the past (ie, if the date is very old then it's not valid)
[14:37:05] <RndMA>	 Hm, ok. I'll try that.
[14:38:06] <_ken_>	 I'm not sure it's the best solution but it's what I do (though I only use one date within my very large form)
[14:39:33] <RndMA>	 Oh, I think I found some sort of solution - regexp
[14:39:40] <RndMA>	 This seems to resolve the issue
[14:41:07] <RndMA>	 Ok, and a smaller question -  is it possible to make the page creation text field (the "Create with form") automatically append a certain namespace?
[14:41:26] <RndMA>	 Or even better, force a form to be always used in a certain namespace
[14:51:33] <RndMA>	 Can templates be added into templates inside forms? Our infobox works like that for the sake of multiple rows
[14:52:38] <_ken_>	 For forms based on namespace:
[14:52:39] <_ken_>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/The_%22edit_with_form%22_tab#Based_on_namespace
[14:55:27] <RndMA>	 Cheers, I did not find that.
[14:55:46] <_ken_>	 RndMA, for your template in templates question, I think you may want the Holds template/embed in field couplet:
[14:55:47] <_ken_>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms/Archive_December_2011#embed_in_field.2Fholds_template
[14:56:11] <_ken_>	 That example is actually pretty good (though I've found there a few typos or assumptions in it)
[14:56:32] <RndMA>	 Oh, sweet, thanks.
[14:57:03] <_ken_>	 NP
[14:57:22] <RndMA>	 I'll need to learn quite a bit more on this, but so this is the last stop for us
[14:58:23] <RndMA>	 Oh, and this is just a small question, I saw some wikis use tabs inside forms, for each part of the page, and I can't find that wiki anymore (I think it had something to do with TVs or such devices). Do you know what extension would one have to use to achieve that?
[15:05:20] <_ken_>	 HeaderTabs
[15:05:52] <_ken_>	 it's pretty sweet for big forms (they don't look as big if they're tabbed)
[15:07:27] <RndMA>	 Cheers, this answers all my questions right now.
[15:08:05] <RndMA>	 Now to learn how to do proper forms!
[15:22:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS4) Mwjames: \SMW\ExtensionSetup (use wgExtensionFunctions for initialization) [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78964
[15:23:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] \SMW\ExtensionSetup (use wgExtensionFunctions for initialization) [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78964 (owner: Mwjames)
[15:24:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Mwjames: "Same issue ..." [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78964 (owner: Mwjames)
[15:43:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Mwjames: \SMW\HashObject, \SMW\HashArray, \SMW\ObjectDictionary [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79205
[15:48:21] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Hey man, just wanted to let you know there's a dead link in your Maps documentation: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps_examples/Google_Maps_KML
[15:48:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr_: ty
[15:49:20] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Not a problem. One of my users is playing with the extension. Mind telling me what the syntax to include a kml file is?
[16:03:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Mwjames: \SMW\HashObject, \SMW\HashArray, \SMW\ObjectDictionary [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79205
[16:11:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS5) Mwjames: \SMW\Maintenance\RebuildConceptCache (rebuildConceptCache.php to replace SMW_conceptCache.php) [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/77493
[17:10:10] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr_: what version are you using? (Maps)
[17:57:17] <Nubbins>	 Apologies, but I've searched and couldn't find an answer for this.  Can special properties be renamed, i.e. Last editor is -> Has Last Editor?
[17:57:42] <Nubbins>	 Or not so much renamed as relabeled.
[17:59:11] <Nubbins>	 Some of the SMW extensions (Semantic Extra Special Properties, Semantic Glossary, etc) are kind enough to enable this easily, but SMW core doesn't appear to.