[12:38:56] right, so I've got a part of an infobox tempalte that I only want to appear if the property thats used to populate it is populated. Otherwise I don't want that row to appear in the slightest. [12:39:03] Any simple solutions? [12:45:55] Velyks: I'd probably use Parsefunctions (#if). An #ask with an introtext could also work and might even be the better solution. [12:46:19] Brilliant, thanks. [14:50:34] hello [14:51:52] 'lo! [14:53:59] I would like some advice with a project that I am starting [14:54:20] shoot [14:54:42] ok [14:55:03] I want to map with UMAP sexual dissidence activism in argentina [14:55:19] The idea was to use different layrs [14:55:39] ah, semantic map extension? [14:55:46] 1 layer for collectives//groups//asociations//organizations...etc... entities [14:55:51] sorry, I don't have any experience with that [14:56:08] ammm, this might sound like a very basic question [14:56:21] but what is the semantic map extension? [14:56:36] aelevadoan: what is UMAP? [14:56:44] i got to this blog because i was interested in doing something like this http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:WikiSprint_20/04/2013 [14:56:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Maps [14:56:59] and they told me that this is done with semantic [14:57:52] yes, check http://p2pfoundation.net/Special:Version [14:57:59] SMW + Semantic Maps [14:58:33] aha [14:59:08] so what does semanticmap actually do? [14:59:17] map semantic data [14:59:20] i dnt know anything about all this [14:59:31] the thing is [14:59:40] so you'd have to semantify your collectives/groups/etc, and then can query for those & show them in maps [14:59:44] i want to create a form similar to the one that appears on the website i put there [15:00:02] and i semantify with semanticmaps? [15:00:10] no [15:00:21] you're in for a steep learning curve [15:00:29] yes [15:00:39] thats why im asking advice to a lot of people :) [15:00:48] there are many ways to get things done, but straight up it'd be something like this [15:01:12] install SMW, then create pages that represent "things" such as the collectives, groups etc [15:01:31] give these pages semantic information [15:02:00] hmmm [15:02:06] do you have an example? [15:02:09] basically you have 3 types of info: class (by assigning categories), attribute (by assigning properties) and relations (by assigning properties of type "page") [15:02:20] i mean...would it be like pages of the concepts of the categories? [15:02:27] eh? [15:03:05] when you refer to "create pages that represent "things" such as the collectives, groups etc" [15:03:40] well, there's no easy answer here [15:03:51] aelevadoan: you should install the Semantic Forms extension. [15:03:56] !e Semantic_Forms [15:03:56] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms [15:03:57] you need to think out, or discover-by-doing, an information model [15:04:21] That's how you create forms - and it's also the easiest way to create everything else. [15:04:30] yes, thats what i want [15:04:32] create forms [15:04:37] and then [15:04:47] a specific question would be [15:04:57] if i have a field with location [15:04:59] geolocation [15:05:19] is there a way of mapping those coordinates directly in Openstreetmaps [15:05:24] Yes. [15:05:31] os [15:05:33] *ok [15:05:44] this part I understand [15:05:45] :) [15:05:49] You should first install SMW, Semantic Forms and Semantic Maps. [15:05:57] i have to learn how to creat he semantic forms [15:06:03] Then go to the page Special:CreateClass, and follow the instructions. [15:06:04] as for learning to use SMW, I'd recommend this book [15:06:06] http://workingwithmediawiki.com/ [15:06:11] Oh, that's nice. :) [15:06:15] written by some bloke called Yaron [15:06:17] :-) [15:07:11] can i see the whole pdf online? [15:08:07] Not for free. [15:08:19] aha [15:08:51] But if you go to Special:CreateClass (once you've installed the three extensions - plus Maps and Validator, actually), I think that's the easiest way to start. [15:08:52] and if i create categories in the semantic forms [15:09:01] can i share that with openstreetmaps aswell? [15:12:33] What do you mean by that? [15:13:41] with semantic media i create semantic categories... [15:13:43] ? [15:15:12] Instead of getting bogged down in all this vocabulary - what is it that you want the map to show? [15:15:45] I want to map different aspects of sexual dissidence activism [15:16:13] entities (organizaciones, collectives, organizations, platforms, artists, etc) [15:16:29] projects/interventions/actions/publications/products [15:16:29] Right - so different entities will have different markers/colors on the map? [15:16:42] physical places [15:16:49] and events/activities, etc. [15:16:54] those are 4 categories [15:17:13] i thought about making different layers [15:17:23] You don't need different layers for that. [15:17:35] You just need to also install the Semantic Compound Queries extension. [15:17:41] !e Semantic_Compound_Queries [15:17:41] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Compound_Queries [15:18:04] and could i visualize one group of markers at a time? [15:18:18] i mean, if i want to search just entities por example [15:18:27] because i thought about the layers to be able to see/hide them [15:19:32] Ah - yes; right now you can't do that kind of thing with SMW. [15:20:25] well, i think taking into account that i dont control any of this [15:20:36] to do different layers and thats it [15:20:48] and if i can map them directly from the form [15:24:41] because i was thinking about tagging each "node" of the map [15:25:10] "node" (includes all the points mapped, including entities, physical spaces, etc.) [18:31:23] New patchset: Mwjames; "\SMW\CsvResultPrinter add filename parameter" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71085 [18:35:58] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71085 [19:17:54] I've got my first VisualEditor setup working, but I notice it doesn't seem to play nice with SemanticForms, has anyone else experimented with this? [19:26:38] I take it back, they seem to be playing well enough [21:42:05] why everyone leaving after asking question ? :( [21:42:23] New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW namespace" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71133 [21:44:23] New patchset: Mwjames; "SMWCsvResultPrinter move to \SMW\CsvResultPrinter" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71133 [21:52:02] New patchset: Mwjames; "SMWCsvResultPrinter move to \SMW\CsvResultPrinter" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71133 [21:59:05] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71133