[09:43:04] <dreamer>	 hmm, been a while since I've built a query. I want to retrieve all pages that contain one of three properties
[10:01:23] <Saruman>	 dreamer: do you perhaps mean [[<value1>::+]] OR [[<value2>::+]] OR [[<value3>::+]]
[10:01:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Remove Special:QueryCreator" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69073
[10:02:36] <dreamer>	 Saruman: hmm, I guess. let me try :)
[10:03:11] <dreamer>	 yes, thnx :)
[10:03:17] * dreamer  needs to get the hang of it again

[10:03:56] <dreamer>	 now also having issue retrieving one property. well actually in the original template it wasn't signified as a property (it's an image in the thing, that is only referred to in the template)
[10:04:05] <dreamer>	 not sure how to explain
[10:04:20] <dreamer>	 wondering how I can add a property (I assume of type page?) to this
[10:05:18] <dreamer>	 so in the template it just says [[File:{{{marqpic}}}|100px]], but how do I turn this in to a property?
[10:05:39] <dreamer>	 just put [[<value>:: .. ]] around it?
[10:05:51] <dreamer>	 (I'd expect that to break this)
[10:06:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "Remove non-existing class from autoloader" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69013
[10:08:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69013
[10:11:50] <dreamer>	 indeed it does (break the template)
[10:14:16] <dreamer>	 basically I need a datatype 'file' I guess. which does not exist
[10:16:39] <dreamer>	 I have the feeling that this is going to result in some nasty hack
[10:23:14] <dreamer>	 doh, found it. have to use the special File:: like [[File::File:{{{marqpic}}}|100px]]
[10:23:55] <dreamer>	 at least now the template works again. however I have no clue how to retrieve this in the query ..
[10:26:00] <dreamer>	 ok, also with File::, but this would only work if you have a single property like this in the template
[10:26:07] <dreamer>	 (which I do now, but don't know in the future)
[10:35:12] <dreamer>	 heh, joy. some of the pictures have been uploaded with .JPG instead of .jpg .. and in the query they are not displayed correctly (just the filename and link)
[10:37:31] <dreamer>	 the mimetype of the images is correct though. and they display in other templates just fine. somehow not in this query though
[11:08:06] <dreamer>	 meh, lame bug
[11:08:14] * dreamer  poked original uploader if he will change the files

[11:08:19] <dreamer>	 not like I can rename them
[11:16:15] <dreamer>	 I see my SMW version is a bit out of date. perhaps this is fixed in newer version? anybodY know?
[11:21:04] <Saruman>	 dreamer: what fix do you refer to?
[11:21:22] <dreamer>	 < dreamer> heh, joy. some of the pictures have been uploaded with .JPG instead of .jpg .. and in the query they are not displayed  correctly (just the filename and link)
[11:21:28] <dreamer>	 ^ I wonder if that has been fixed perhaps
[11:21:59] <Saruman>	 I'm not aware of the issue, so I can't say
[11:22:28] <dreamer>	 you can see it here; http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php/Marquis#Tabel_met_de_kleurreacties
[11:22:47] <dreamer>	 all items not being displayed have the capitalized extension
[11:22:59] <dreamer>	 their mime-types are correct though. and they are displayed correctly on the corresponding pages
[17:37:21] <_bp_>	 https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Semantic_templates - this seems to have lost all CSS
[17:38:14] <jgay>	 If I add a new namespace to my wiki and update $smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks do I need to rebuild the SMW tables and/or refresh data in order to be able to query data in that new namespace?
[17:43:46] <Ftrott>	 jgay: You'll need to run SMW_refreshData.php
[18:04:21] <jgay>	 Ftrott, thanks
[19:03:36] <dreamer>	 hmmm, anyone an idea how I can format those File results I get? (still trying to figure out why .JPG doesn't work though)
[19:08:39] <dreamer>	 would've been easier if i could just get the filename and use the template to format it
[19:11:38] <yaron>	 dreamer: you can, can't you?
[19:11:53] <dreamer>	 I have no idea. it feels like a total hack now
[19:11:59] <yaron>	 What does?
[19:12:20] <dreamer>	 the way I'm adding a property to these images and retrieving them
[19:12:30] <dreamer>	 (and then the bug why .JPG isn't displaying)
[19:12:36] <yaron>	 How are you doing that?
[19:13:10] <dreamer>	 I was looking at this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Manual/Using_Semantic_Forms_for_file_pages_and_uploads#Template_.2B_form
[19:13:15] <dreamer>	 | [[File::File:{{{File|}}}]]
[19:13:37] <dreamer>	 so I went with that in my page-template: [[File::File:{{{marqpic}}}|100px]]
[19:13:47] <yaron>	 That won't work, I don't think.
[19:14:15] <dreamer>	 in the table I ask for | ? File (and I have a OR [[File::+]] in the selection)
[19:14:42] <dreamer>	 I get all the results and they get displayed for all the .jpg, not for the .JPG
[19:14:44] <yaron>	 Oh - does that first call work, to display the image in the page?
[19:14:50] <dreamer>	 yes
[19:15:03] <yaron>	 Oh, great.
[19:15:18] <dreamer>	 but in my table it's buggy. and I can't add any formatting to the table template
[19:15:37] <dreamer>	 the results get presented as a [[File:<result>]] automatically
[19:15:37] <yaron>	 So you have different uploaded images, some of type .jpg and some of type .JPG, and only the .jpg files display?
[19:15:43] <dreamer>	 and don't work for .JPG extensions
[19:16:00] <dreamer>	 http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Marquis_reagens&action=edit
[19:16:05] <dreamer>	 eh
[19:16:22] <dreamer>	 anyway, the first table on that page
[19:16:57] <dreamer>	 yaron: the mime-types of those files are exactly the same though
[19:17:08] <yaron>	 That's weird!
[19:17:22] <dreamer>	 yup
[19:17:39] <dreamer>	 no idea if newer versions of MW and SMW would resolve it. but Saruman didn't recognize it as a known bug
[19:18:08] <dreamer>	 still no clue how I would do the formatting though, since they display as [[File: automatically
[19:18:41] <dreamer>	 would be easier if I could just do | [[File:{{{5}}}|100px]] in the table template
[19:18:49] <yaron>	 You can.
[19:19:00] <dreamer>	 no, then it breaks
[19:19:25] <dreamer>	 refresh the page :)
[19:19:26] <yaron>	 By "it", you mean the query table?
[19:19:35] <dreamer>	 yes
[19:19:59] <yaron>	 Right - you would need to add "{{#set:File={{{5}}} }}" to the template.
[19:20:08] <yaron>	 That will set the property "silently".
[19:20:28] <dreamer>	 hmm, and build the formatting around that?
[19:20:36] <yaron>	 ...though I can't see how that would fix the query problem.
[19:20:42] <yaron>	 Build what formatting?
[19:20:57] <dreamer>	 the [[File:<result>|100px]] or whatever
[19:21:11] <yaron>	 Yeah, just as you had it above.
[19:21:30] <dreamer>	 hmm, nope
[19:21:43] <yaron>	 That does seem like an SMW bug - the JPG thing.
[19:22:02] <yaron>	 You shouldn't need to use a query template, if you just want to display a simple table.
[19:22:09] <yaron>	 Maybe upgrading would help, who knows.
[19:22:14] <dreamer>	 well if I can just get the filename it should be sorted out
[19:22:39] <dreamer>	 yaron: well I started the template because I wanted to add this 'formatting' to the image there (is how I'm used to)
[19:22:48] <yaron>	 Ah, I see.
[19:22:56] <dreamer>	 but now I can't display any images
[19:23:00] <yaron>	 You probably need to add "|link=none" to the query.
[19:23:05] <dreamer>	 using [[File:{{#set:File={{{5}}} }}|100px]]
[19:23:22] <yaron>	 Er, no.
[19:23:48] <yaron>	 It would be "[[File:{{{5}}}|100px]] {{#set:File={{{5}}} }}".
[19:23:56] <dreamer>	 ah, hmm.
[19:24:29] <dreamer>	 nope, now I'm back to square one
[19:25:14] <dreamer>	 the #set: doesn't seem to do anything
[19:25:39] <yaron>	 Well, the property's data is still being set: http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php/Property:File
[19:26:02] <gerrit-wm_>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "fix bug: popup form" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70465
[19:26:16] <dreamer>	 well that's on the pages. not in the result query
[19:26:34] <yaron>	 It's SMW data - if the query isn't displaying it, the problem is in the query.
[19:26:38] <dreamer>	 yaron: but that page makes me think I could use a different name for it as well. 'File' is a bit too generic I guess
[19:26:52] <dreamer>	 ok, well "[[File:{{{5}}}|100px]] {{#set:File={{{5}}} }}" is the problem :P
[19:27:12] <yaron>	 I doubt it.
[19:27:15] <dreamer>	 since I just get {{{5}}} (with automatic [[File: ]] displaying and no extra file formatting)
[19:27:27] <yaron>	 That Property:File page still shows the correct data.
[19:27:59] <dreamer>	 the thing is that the results already present themselves as images, not as filenames
[19:28:12] <gerrit-wm_>	 Change merged: Foxtrott; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70465
[19:28:41] <yaron>	 Yeah, you should add "|link=none" to the query.
[19:29:01] <dreamer>	 where in the query then?
[19:29:06] <yaron>	 Anywhere.
[19:29:15] <yaron>	 It would be an additional parameter.
[19:29:25] <dreamer>	 but I want other results to be links. or then I put brackets in the template?
[19:29:51] <yaron>	 Yes.
[19:30:55] <dreamer>	 meh, almost working (had to remove File: from the template)
[19:31:33] <dreamer>	 somehow {{PAGENAME}} gets in the results o.O
[19:32:06] <dreamer>	 it does fix the jpg vs JPG problem though!
[19:32:28] <dreamer>	 and I need an #if: for the entries without this property
[19:32:28] <yaron>	 Weird. Cool, though. That does seem like an SMW #ask bug.
[19:32:47] <yaron>	 You might be able to fix that by using {{{5|}}} instead of {{{5}}}.
[19:32:55] <dreamer>	 ok
[19:32:59] <yaron>	 The #if thing, that is.
[19:33:00] <dreamer>	 I never fully got that
[19:33:21] <dreamer>	 | [[{{{5}}}|100px]] {{#set:File={{{5}}} }} << which one? or both?
[19:34:52] <dreamer>	 hmm, noop
[19:35:07] <yaron>	 Might as well do both.
[19:35:29] <_bp_>	 hey can someone help me out with using ArrayExtension to deliver some grouped results
[19:35:38] <dreamer>	 yaron: nah, didn't work. fixed it with an #if:
[19:36:01] <dreamer>	 only thing left now is why the hell {{PAGENAME}} is getting in the result o.O
[19:36:04] <yaron>	 _bp_: ArrayExtension is the old name of that extension; it's now called Arrays.
[19:36:09] <_bp_>	 oooh
[19:36:12] <yaron>	 Maybe you need to upgrade your software...
[19:36:20] <_bp_>	 no this is 1.8
[19:36:39] <yaron>	 Well, that extension, in any case.
[19:39:27] <_bp_>	 anyway i have a bunch of cities with retail inspection letters and I need to show a list of cities, with a count for number of letters issued per city
[19:40:21] <yaron>	 Ah - yes, Arrays could help with that.
[19:41:37] <dreamer>	 yaron: can I exclude a particular result from the query? (I can't understand why the pagename shows up)
[19:44:04] <drobbins>	 yo
[19:44:06] <drobbins>	 yaron: around?
[19:44:16] <yaron>	 Hello! Yes.
[19:44:20] <drobbins>	 yaron: Hi!
[19:44:35] <dreamer>	 http://smw.referata.com/wiki/Excluding_a_page_from_an_inline_query << hmm
[19:44:39] <drobbins>	 yaron: I am in need of help. trying to grab an Author property from a page, then use it to reference semantic data on the user page.
[19:44:55] <yaron>	 dreamer: where is the pagename (or {{{PAGENAME}}}) showing up?
[19:44:56] <drobbins>	 yaron: the Author property references the wiki user page.
[19:45:12] <yaron>	 Alright.
[19:45:24] <dreamer>	 yaron: in the resulting table
[19:45:45] <yaron>	 Here? http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php/Marquis_reagens I don't see it.
[19:46:01] <dreamer>	 first table. under M
[19:47:04] <yaron>	 Oh... you mean that "Marquis reagens" shows up in the results.
[19:47:12] <yaron>	 That might have been phrased a little more clearly.
[19:47:19] <dreamer>	 yes, sorry
[19:47:42] <dreamer>	 I generalized it a bit too much :P
[19:47:44] <drobbins>	 yaron: see http://wiki.zenoss.org/Template:ArticleFooter
[19:48:21] <drobbins>	 yaron: trying to get the author's wiki name, then pass it to a template do grab the bio from the user page.
[19:48:33] <drobbins>	 thus displaying the author's bio at the bottom of the article.
[19:48:43] <yaron>	 Alright. So, what's the issue?
[19:49:08] <yaron>	 dreamer: you shouldn't be setting the value in the query template - only in the *display* template.
[19:49:40] <drobbins>	 yaron: the issue is that rather than getting the raw text of the username, I am getting the "Linkified" text...
[19:49:53] <dreamer>	 yaron: oh, the |link=none ?
[19:49:54] <dreamer>	 doh
[19:50:11] <yaron>	 No, the #set call.
[19:50:11] <drobbins>	 yaron: you can see it malfunction here, at the bottom: http://wiki.zenoss.org/ZenPack_Generator_Interview/Usage_Case
[19:50:22] <dreamer>	 yaron: ok, now I'm completely confused :)
[19:50:27] <yaron>	 drobbins: speaking of "|link=none", that's what you should use.
[19:50:42] <yaron>	 dreamer: you should remove the #set from here: http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Marqtab&action=edit
[19:50:56] <dreamer>	 yes, understood
[19:51:06] <dreamer>	 and then, put it after | ? File  ?
[19:51:12] <dreamer>	 or anywhere?
[19:51:19] <yaron>	 Ah... now I get the issue. We were talking about two different templates.
[19:51:32] <yaron>	 I thought you were asking about the display template, the one being used by all those pages.
[19:51:37] <yaron>	 (Assuming there is one.)
[19:51:40] <dreamer>	 yes, no
[19:51:41] <yaron>	 Not the query template.
[19:51:44] <dreamer>	 I meant the table of course
[19:51:53] <yaron>	 Of course? :)
[19:51:56] <dreamer>	 I had no problems in the display templates on the pages
[19:52:03] <dreamer>	 like I said before: the images show up fine there
[19:52:04] <yaron>	 Okay, that's nice.
[19:52:17] <dreamer>	 (I'm really bad at all this specialized lingo haha)
[19:52:24] <yaron>	 Anyway, take out #set.
[19:52:53] <yaron>	 Ah, you've done that. Although I think you removed too many curly brackets.
[19:53:16] <dreamer>	 yay, it worketh :)
[19:53:22] <dreamer>	 yaron: yeah indeed, I destroyed the if :)
[19:53:51] <_bp_>	 ok back to Arrays...
[19:53:53] <_bp_>	 so far i have this:
[19:53:56] <dreamer>	 _bp_: enjoy :)
[19:54:01] <_bp_>	 lol
[19:54:07] <dreamer>	 yaron: thnx a lot. weird f-ing stuff. but it works now \o/
[19:54:13] <_bp_>	 i am a design guy who for some reason got pushed into an SMW task
[19:54:14] <dreamer>	 (and I should probably file a bugreport somewhere ..)
[19:54:27] <_bp_>	 i am having a ton of fun by which i mean it is like bathing in lava
[19:54:28] <_bp_>	 {{#arraydefine: foo
[19:54:28] <_bp_>	   | {{#ask:[[Category:City]] |?Letter }}
[19:54:28] <_bp_>	   | , | print=list, sort=asc, unique
[19:54:28] <_bp_>	 }}
[19:55:13] <_bp_>	 cool, that got me this - http://warnings.survos.com/wiki/Test
[19:55:48] <yaron>	 _bp_: doesn't Arrays offer an #arraycount or #arraysize or something?
[19:57:38] <_bp_>	 arraysize i think
[19:57:42] <_bp_>	 i'm unclear on its use though
[19:58:39] <_bp_>	 syntax i mean
[19:59:31] <yaron>	 I don't know much about that extension; maybe someone else does.
[19:59:41] <yaron>	 ...but I would think that's the only real option here.
[19:59:56] <yaron>	 #arraysize, that is.
[20:04:29] <Ftrott>	 _bp_: {{#arraydefine: foo
[20:04:29] <Ftrott>	   | {{#ask:[[Category:City]] |?Letter|format=list|link=none|sep=;|limit=500|searchlabel=}}
[20:04:30] <Ftrott>	   | ; | print=list, sort=asc, unique
[20:04:30] <Ftrott>	 }}
[20:05:12] <Ftrott>	 _bp_: Problem is, you get so many results that it exceeds your query limit (currently 500)
[20:05:38] <_bp_>	 oh haha
[20:05:43] <_bp_>	 i guess i should limit it
[20:05:49] <_bp_>	 yeah there are a lot of notices
[20:07:02] <_bp_>	 oh heh yaron i just realized
[20:07:07] <_bp_>	 it's your book in front of me
[20:07:09] <_bp_>	 headdesk
[20:14:41] <drobbins>	 back
[20:15:09] <drobbins>	 yaron: I tried |link=none, will try that again.
[20:16:10] <drobbins>	 yaron: ok, |link=none gets me closer. On refresh, I get the full name.
[20:16:24] <drobbins>	 let me see if I can get the bio.
[20:16:24] <drobbins>	 or a link to the user page.
[20:17:09] <drobbins>	 yaron: ok, if you look, you will see the semantic Author data says "Trelane" (which is the wiki user name). but |link=none returns "Andrew D. Kirch"
[20:17:29] <drobbins>	 so I can't use that to directly link to the user page.
[20:17:58] <drobbins>	 Ideally, I want to get "Trelane", not "Andrew D. Kirch". Then this problem is solved.
[20:19:00] <drobbins>	 |linke=none turns "Andrew D. Kirch" (hyperlinked) to "Andrew D. Kirch" (non-hyperlinked) which is not exactly what I want.
[20:47:38] <Shizzire>	 I'm having a strange problem, hoping someone can help.  I have a about 70 pages for people in my company (not in the USER namespace) and is in Category:Person.  Each page has a "Reports To" property set to their manager.
[20:48:02] <Shizzire>	 When I use this inline query, I get all the proper results:
[20:48:05] <Shizzire>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Person]] [[Reports to::+]] |mainlabel=Name |?Reports to }}
[20:48:25] <Shizzire>	 When I use this inline query, I only get ONE result:
[20:48:26] <Shizzire>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Person]] [[Reports to::+]] |mainlabel=Name |?Reports to }}
[20:48:47] <Shizzire>	 Ooops..  THIS query only gets one result:
[20:48:48] <Shizzire>	 {{#ask: [[Reports to::+]] |mainlabel=Name |?Reports to }}
[20:52:34] <Shizzire>	 The default data store is is a Sparql database (4store)
[20:52:56] <Shizzire>	 $smwgDefaultStore = 'SMWSparqlStore'; $smwgSparqlDatabase = 'SMWSparqlDatabase4Store';
[20:54:59] <Shizzire>	 Any ideas why I'm getting two different results?
[20:57:13] <Shizzire>	 The second inline query should return the same results as the first (if not MORE results, IE pages that contain the property but not in the Category:Person)
[21:17:35] <yaron>	 drobbins: hello, are you still there?
[21:17:44] <yaron>	 ...and do you still have the problem?
[21:18:14] <yaron>	 _bp_: LOL
[21:25:24] <gerrit-wm_>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "fix bug: Added wikitext in the system message Mediawiki:Minoredit is not parsed when using "edit with form"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70544
[21:26:38] <gerrit-wm_>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "fix bug: Added wikitext in the system message Mediawiki:Minoredit is not parsed when using "edit with form"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70544
[21:27:28] <gerrit-wm_>	 Change merged: Foxtrott; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/70544
[21:29:24] <Shizzire>	 Yep, I'm still here (and still have the problem)
[22:45:28] <drobbins>	 back