[01:31:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Himeshi; "Semantic Forms: Display error message when Special:EditForm accessed by itself" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/62407
[03:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/62407
[04:00:10] <Havvy>	 yaron: Why is {{#arraymap:}} in Semantic Forms? Seems like a random place for it.
[04:00:44] <yaron>	 Havvy: that's true. It's there because nothing else provided it, when SF needed it.
[04:01:24] <Havvy>	 It'd be nice to have it pushed into ParserFunctions.
[04:02:09] <yaron>	 Yeah, I thought about that early on... I didn't want to deal with all the bureaucracy around ParserFunctions.
[04:02:21] <Havvy>	 What about now?
[04:02:33] <yaron>	 Haven't thought about it recently. :)
[04:02:45] <yaron>	 Why would it be nice, by the way, other than simply the fact that it's a string-manipulation function?
[04:04:34] <Havvy>	 It's kind of embarassing asking for this huge forms thing when all you want is arraymap
[04:04:58] <yaron>	 Well, that's really my question - are there uses for #arraymap other than with the combination of SMW, templates and forms?
[04:05:13] <Havvy>	 Lots.
[04:05:40] <yaron>	 Could you... give an example?
[04:05:47] <Havvy>	 The DnD-Wiki uses {{#arraymap:}} extensively.
[04:05:55] <Havvy>	 But we don't use Forms.
[04:06:00] <Havvy>	 We do use SMW sometimes.
[04:06:15] <Havvy>	 s/sometimes/everywhere/
[04:06:29] <yaron>	 Okay...
[04:06:42] <Havvy>	 http://www.dnd-wiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:3.5e_Spell&action=edit
[04:06:57] <Havvy>	 {{#arraymap: {{{comp}}}|, |x|{{#arraymap: x|; |z|[[Component::z]]|;&nbsp;}}}}
[04:07:26] <yaron>	 Fine - so for the combination of SMW and templates.
[04:07:38] <yaron>	 You just don't use forms.
[04:08:08] <Havvy>	 Yes.
[04:08:17] <yaron>	 Why don't you use forms, by the way?
[04:09:14] <Havvy>	 We found it easier to edit preloaded text that doesn't obscure things.
[04:09:35] <yaron>	 (Oh man - I just realized you pasted an embedded #arraymap call, so you have a two-dimensional array - you might be better of using #subobject with that.)
[04:09:41] <yaron>	 (better off)
[04:10:17] <Havvy>	 #subobject: ?
[04:10:23] <yaron>	 Yes - it's part of SMW.
[04:11:05] <yaron>	 With the #arraymap thing - part of the issue was that it wasn't clear what the best place to put it was - there's ParserFunctions/StringFunctions, but there's also SMW itself, and the Arrays extension.
[04:11:21] <yaron>	 There's definitely argument for making it part of SMW.
[04:11:25] <yaron>	 (an argument)
[04:12:06] <yaron>	 I mean, not everyone has ParserFunctions installed either.
[04:12:37] <Havvy>	 I thought ParserFunctions was pre-installed.
[04:12:53] <yaron>	 Only if you download MediaWiki as a tarball.
[04:13:28] <yaron>	 Plus, even if they have the code for it, it might not be actually installed.
[04:17:46] <Havvy>	 Unrelated, if you have a Property: with [[Has type::Page]], is there a way to restrict the values to a certain category?
[04:19:50] <yaron>	 Not without forms - although it would be a useful addition.
[04:20:24] <Havvy>	 I attempted doing so:  http://www.irc-wiki.org/index.php?title=Property:Service
[04:20:52] <Havvy>	 And http://www.irc-wiki.org/index.php?title=Template:ForEachPage&action=edit
[04:21:33] <Havvy>	 Although I am now realizing that I'm taking a query, turning it into a list, and iterating over that list...when I could just pass it a template...
[09:38:44] <dbolser>	 hi JeroenDeDauw
[09:38:57] <dbolser>	 which version of SB shipped with SMW 1.7?
[09:39:13] <dbolser>	 I've been browsing the source code, and unfortunately, I don't see any tags or branches
[09:39:27] <dbolser>	 or any release notes or change log...
[09:59:05] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: I see this in the logs:
[09:59:17] <dbolser>	 commit e5935f3b7138736dca3d30b14e0a3dba59c530c4
[09:59:17] <dbolser>	 Author: jeroendedauw <jeroendedauw@gmail.com>
[09:59:17] <dbolser>	 Date:   Tue Feb 19 22:59:00 2013 +0100
[09:59:17] <dbolser>	 smw and srf to 1.8.x branch
[09:59:17] <dbolser>	 Change-Id: I6ddc2fdfa348c9a163510eb3b1a368f13d969fc0
[10:01:59] <dbolser>	 heh... seems Yaron made the change with a commit message titled "Fixed to work with Git"
[10:02:21] <dbolser>	 so ... sigh... I can't roll back with git
[10:02:39] <dbolser>	 this would be easier with tagged releasess
[10:03:39] <dbolser>	 bie
[11:17:36] <dbolser>	 anyone got a handly list of smw tables to drop?
[11:18:05] <dbolser>	 smw_*
[11:18:07] <dbolser>	 ?
[11:23:27] <dbolser>	 I'm just looking for a file with a list, but cant find anything
[11:49:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/62407
[12:40:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61179
[12:41:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 dbolser: just use the latest sb
[12:41:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 though change the externals file
[12:41:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 That determines which versions of the extensions get fetched
[12:41:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hmm
[12:42:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Though perhaps they do not all have tags
[12:42:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 damn
[12:42:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ok, not going to work
[12:56:02] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: hi
[12:56:16] <dbolser>	 I've been working on this all day, and getting increasing tied in knots...
[12:56:41] <dbolser>	 lack of tags in externals file is a pain... because of the way it works in git you could just put commit ID's there when tags are missing?
[12:56:47] <dbolser>	 s/you/me/
[12:57:55] <dbolser>	 Currently Ive gone back to the old SB, but there are still problems on php 5.2 :(
[12:58:01] <dbolser>	 specifically with validator
[12:58:14] <dbolser>	 and also SRF seems to have problems
[12:59:05] * dbolser  thinks about breathing into a paper bag

[13:07:16] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: which version of vlaidator works on php52?
[13:14:49] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: and can we tag it?
[15:16:44] <DoroD>	 Hello! Is it still possible to have multi-valued properties?
[15:16:57] <DoroD>	 I'm finding some stuff online, but it seems to be quite outdated
[15:17:04] <DoroD>	 Like around 1.0 and so on
[19:42:12] <dbolser>	 Hi JeroenDeDauw... I don't suppose you know which commit ended the 1.7.1 branch?
[19:42:22] <dbolser>	 it was pre-git times?
[21:14:03] <Riiiis>	 Hello, i'm having a problem with my newly installed semantic mediawiki
[21:14:53] <Riiiis>	 I would like to use the semantic calendar,  but i get an error: "{{#calendarenddate:}}" cannot be used as a page name in this wiki
[21:15:45] <Riiiis>	 i'm trying to replicate this: https://labitat.dk/wiki/Template:Calendar setup on a different (and closed) installation, any ideas?
[21:55:54] <yaron>	 Riiiis: at what point do you get that error?
[21:58:11] <Riiiis>	 yaron: When i go to the page Template:Calendar I get a small warning icon with that text as a mouseover
[21:59:17] <Riiiis>	 the Template:Calendar page contains this: http://pastebin.com/ZUJi33xV
[21:59:47] <yaron>	 Right, okay. I think the issue is that you also need to install the Semantic Result Formats extension.
[22:00:02] <Riiiis>	 ohh might be
[22:09:16] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: I've summarised http://mapping.referata.com/wiki/Maps here http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps
[22:09:51] <dbolser>	 I've tried to simplify the structure of the documentation as much as possible, and I haven't imported instances of the class 'mapping service', because that's too much of a pain
[22:10:02] <dbolser>	 I've also written a short 'kick start' section
[22:11:03] <dbolser>	 yaron: this could be a good spot to document clutering: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps/Displaying_maps
[22:11:14] <Riiiis>	 yaron: thanks a lot! It works now :-)
[22:11:21] <yaron>	 Cool!
[22:11:42] <yaron>	 dbolser: yes, sure - feel free to do it yourself.
[22:11:45] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: I've done my best to integrate content from http://mapping.referata.com into http://semantic-mediawiki.org, but I'm sure I will have made errors and ommisions
[22:11:51] <dbolser>	 yaron: I'm on to something else just now :-)
[22:11:59] <yaron>	 In general, I think the Maps/SM documentation could use some work.
[22:12:01] <dbolser>	 tired of docwork
[22:12:01] <yaron>	 Oh well. :)
[22:12:09] <dbolser>	 yaron: that's what I've been doing
[22:12:13] <Riiiis>	 who likes docwork??
[22:12:19] <dbolser>	 meeee!
[22:12:28] <dbolser>	 well... put it this way... I hate crappy docs ;-)
[22:12:33] <Riiiis>	 then i love you! :-)
[22:12:37] <Riiiis>	 kinda
[22:12:40] * dbolser  accepts bitcoin

[22:12:44] <dbolser>	 oh
[22:12:46] * Riiiis  has none

[22:12:52] <dbolser>	 GET MINING!
[22:13:08] <yaron>	 Oh, I see! Looks good!
[22:13:22] <dbolser>	 gah.. a couple more pages to import...
[22:14:33] <dbolser>	 ... nm
[22:14:42] <yaron>	 It's definitely looking a lot better.
[22:14:45] <dbolser>	 they are too complex / embedded in http://mapping.referata.com
[22:26:03] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: PHP 5.2, MW 1.7, Validator 0.4... Is Maps 1.0.5 safe?
[22:26:58] <dbolser>	 http://mapping.referata.com/wiki/Template:Maps_1.0.5_dependencies :D
[22:28:33] <Riiiis>	 yaron: hmm could you maybe give me a bit more advice
[22:28:49] <yaron>	 On what?
[22:28:56] <Riiiis>	 i'm trying to add something to the calendar now.. but it doesn't appear
[22:29:21] <yaron>	 You might need to hit the "refresh" tab in the wiki page, if you see it there.
[22:29:51] <Riiiis>	 yeah, and i've copied a "clear cache" template that was on my donor page too
[22:29:55] <Riiiis>	 doesn't help
[22:30:05] <yaron>	 Oh... I dind't know there was such a thing.
[22:30:14] <Riiiis>	 https://labitat.dk/wiki/Calendar
[22:30:27] <yaron>	 Well, either the data was added incorrectly, or the query is somehow incorrect.
[22:39:36] <dbolser>	 JeroenDeDauw: what's the default geocoder?
[23:10:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add smw.dataItem.wikiPage.getText()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/62536