[02:17:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Move some resource files" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60184
[02:24:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Move some resource files" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60184
[02:26:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60184
[02:31:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMW\StatisticsAggregator class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60092
[02:35:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "(7 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60092
[04:28:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMWHooks::registerUnitTests test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60185
[04:40:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMWHooks::registerUnitTests test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60185
[07:40:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Move SMW_PageSchemas into auxiliaries directory + SMW\Auxiliary ns" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60188
[07:47:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Yaron, I don't have pageschems installed but it would be nice if you can confirm that it still works." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60188
[09:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\Auxiliary\Lua add framework to support Scribunto extension" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56393
[09:21:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Just a rebase to keep up with the environment. Moved everything into SMW\Auxiliary\Lua" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56393
[14:11:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(3 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60185
[14:28:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "(3 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/60185
[15:42:32] <apollo79->	 anyone around?
[16:00:46] <Saruman>	 apollo79- sure
[16:01:17] <apollo79->	 I could use some help with some inline queries
[16:01:28] <apollo79->	 they seem to complete, but I get a warning
[16:01:30] <Saruman>	 standard smw?
[16:02:08] <apollo79->	 yes? Im still learning
[16:02:16] <apollo79->	 I have it in a template
[16:02:28] <apollo79->	 the warning is talking about nowiki
[16:02:57] <Saruman>	 publicly accessible?
[16:03:18] <apollo79->	 no, unfortunately
[16:03:30] <Saruman>	 pastebin it is, then...
[16:03:31] <apollo79->	 let me find what the warning says
[16:05:41] <apollo79->	 Some part "<nowiki>…</nowiki>" of the query was not understood.
[16:05:50] <apollo79->	 I'll pastbin the query
[16:06:35] <Saruman>	 heh, always fun with those "some part not understood" issues
[16:07:35] <apollo79->	 yeah
[16:07:57] <apollo79->	 http://pastebin.com/8HxfBxx4
[16:08:04] <apollo79->	 that is the query
[16:08:19] <apollo79->	 it is under a section in my "Event" template
[16:08:57] <apollo79->	 basically what I need it to do is pull in hosts, dynamically, that are part of that "Event"
[16:09:00] <Saruman>	 are you sur the {{{Event}}} field contains a value?
[16:09:15] <apollo79->	 yeah, it all seems to run
[16:09:21] <apollo79->	 its showing my test host
[16:09:49] <Saruman>	 it is ALWAYS a good idea to add a pipe to fields, {{{Event|}}}, and often even a default value {{{Event|No Event Specified}}}
[16:10:22] <apollo79->	 I tried the pipe, let me try the default value
[16:10:41] <Saruman>	 that won't help here
[16:12:31] <Saruman>	 could it be that the {{{Event|}}} field itself gets filled with the result of another query, but that query returns a pagename instead of a string?
[16:12:37] <Saruman>	 that always throws errors
[16:13:03] <Saruman>	 ugh, dinnertime here, AFK for about an hour
[16:15:38] <apollo79->	 yes. {{{Event|}}} should be a pagename
[16:16:57] <apollo79->	 this is under the "Host" section of a "Event" template
[16:17:42] <apollo79->	 Im trying to the show all the hosts that are affected by a "Event" and show the query results
[17:15:28] <Saruman>	 re
[17:15:45] <Saruman>	 apollo79- :  you can't have a pagename inside a page link
[17:16:07] <Saruman>	 that'd be something like [[ [[page]] ]]
[17:16:27] <Saruman>	 so if {{{Event}}} is the result of a query, use link=none in that query
[17:17:14] <apollo79->	 what will that do?
[17:18:16] <Saruman>	 without link=none, a query generates "[[Result page]]". With link=none, it generates "Result page"
[17:19:28] <Saruman>	 https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries#Standard_parameters_for_inline_queries
[17:37:30] <apollo79->	 so the only thing adding link=none did was take the link to the Host page away
[17:37:36] <apollo79->	 the warning is still there
[17:38:04] <Saruman>	 to be clear: link=none must be in the query that fills {{{Event}}}, not the one that uses it
[17:38:44] <apollo79->	 oh
[17:40:07] <Saruman>	 you want {{{Event}}} to contain exactly (EXACTLY) the string that signifies the category
[17:40:22] <Saruman>	 can you give me the name of an Event?
[17:43:40] <apollo79->	 Test
[17:44:26] <apollo79->	 Event is the category
[17:44:30] <apollo79->	 unless Im missing something
[17:46:22] <apollo79->	 I have a template, called Event, there is a form that builds the Event pages from that template
[17:47:10] <apollo79->	 when i created a class, it made the category "Event"
[17:48:17] <Saruman>	 is there even a variable named {{{Event}}}?
[17:48:35] <Saruman>	 Are you sure you don't need [[Category:Event]]?
[17:49:31] <apollo79->	 maybe the variable is what Im missing
[17:49:48] <apollo79->	 I don't need everything from the category
[17:50:00] <Saruman>	 It doesn't work that way
[17:50:32] <apollo79->	 jut the "Hosts" that are apart of the Event, in this case named Test
[17:50:47] <Saruman>	 in fact, it works the other way around: using  [[Category:Event]] in the query LIMITS the query to zero or more results, all of which must be in that Category
[17:51:38] <apollo79->	 so how will the dynamic queries only show the hosts that are apart of the event?
[17:51:41] <Saruman>	 apollo79- : you won't learn using SMW by running all sorts of wizards and try to coaxe them into delivering comples results
[17:52:02] <Saruman>	 I have no idea what you mean with that question
[17:54:11] <apollo79->	 maybe Im not explaining what Im trying to show very well
[17:54:29] <apollo79->	 I have a Event template and form
[17:54:40] <apollo79->	 I created a Test event
[17:54:52] <apollo79->	 I also have a Host template and form
[17:55:29] <apollo79->	 I created a TestHost page and added the Event "Test" to that host
[17:55:56] <apollo79->	 back on the Test event page, I need to dynamically show all the hosts that are apart of the Test event
[17:57:36] <Saruman>	 hard to understand what you're doing here
[17:58:13] <Saruman>	 you talk about templates and forms as if they mean something special, but I don't know whay you think they mean
[17:58:43] <Saruman>	 SMW works with pages, with properties and with categories
[17:58:53] <Saruman>	 the rest is scaffolding, in a way
[17:59:32] <Saruman>	 so you have a page which I understand has the name "Test event"
[18:00:13] <Saruman>	 you also have a page called "TestHost"
[18:00:28] <Saruman>	 what properties and categories does TestHost have?
[18:02:36] <apollo79->	 the template and forms are built using the semantic forms extension
[18:03:53] <Saruman>	 sure, but they're just scaffolding, they themselves don't have meaning
[18:04:25] <Saruman>	 so in order to do meaningful things with pages in your wiki, you need to determine what they are and what they mean
[18:04:40] <apollo79->	 properties on the TestHost page are Event (in this case Test event)
[18:05:04] <apollo79->	 and categories Host and Test event
[18:05:06] <Saruman>	 So on TestHost theres a property [[Event::Test event]]?
[18:05:41] <Saruman>	 [[Category:Host]] sounds reasonable
[18:05:54] <Saruman>	 [[Category:Test event]], not so much
[18:05:59] <apollo79->	 yeah, that gets added to all hosts via template
[18:06:18] <apollo79->	 the Host category anyway
[18:06:24] <Saruman>	 That one sounds correct
[18:06:53] <Saruman>	 but the host itself isn't an event, so it shouldn't be in a category that says it is - or am I misunderstanding something?
[18:07:44] <apollo79->	 the Test event category, I would think, should so anything that has to do with that event
[18:07:48] <apollo79->	 so all hosts, in this case
[18:08:41] <Saruman>	 "that has to do with" isn't very helpful
[18:09:09] <Saruman>	 furthermore, you already have the property that points to the event, so really there's no need.
[18:09:51] <Saruman>	 If TestHost is in [[Category:Host]] and is related to a specific event via [[Event::Test event]], then you can find it (and it's peers) wit the following query:
[18:10:19] <Saruman>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Host]] [[Event:Test event]]}}
[18:10:50] <Saruman>	 if the query appears on multiple Event pages, then you can use {{#ask: [[Category:Host]] [[Event:{{CURRENTPAGE}}]]}}
[18:11:04] <Saruman>	 oh sorry, double double colons behind Event
[18:11:11] <Saruman>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Host]] [[Event::Test event]]}}
[18:11:21] <Saruman>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Host]] [[Event::{{CURRENTPAGE}}]]}}
[18:11:55] <apollo79->	 let me try that last one, this query will appear on multiple Even pages
[18:20:50] <apollo79->	 got an error
[18:20:55] <NoNoro>	 Hi. I've got a problem - how would I go about deleting a property?
[18:21:19] <NoNoro>	 One got quite mistakenly created, somehow without a definition page, and I can't figure out how to remove it
[18:21:26] <apollo79->	 the part "]]" of query was not understood
[18:24:34] <apollo79->	 Saruman: I have seen what Im trying to do, so I know it works. I just have to find the right way
[18:27:31] <apollo79->	 Saruman: thanks for you help to this point, Im gonna continue to try things. I "think" my problem is creating the variable {{{Event}}}. Somehow tagging that to the field in the Host template
[18:27:42] <apollo79->	 Saruman: Im prob wrong, but thanks for the help
[18:28:39] <Saruman>	 apollo79- : ok good luck
[18:28:56] <Saruman>	 if you can't figure it out, maybe try http://workingwithmediawiki.com/
[18:29:15] <Saruman>	 a very good book, concise but complete, by the author of the Semantic Forms extension
[18:29:41] <Saruman>	 NoNoro: the property exists the moment some page is using it
[18:30:04] <Saruman>	 so if you remove the reference to it on that page, you should be good
[18:32:38] <NoNoro>	 Saruman: Thanks
[18:32:48] <NoNoro>	 I was certain I removed the mention, I'll try to find it then
[18:37:38] <NoNoro>	 Hm, I can't find it anywhere, and the property page doesn't list any pages.
[18:37:45] <NoNoro>	 Probably because it doesn't exist
[18:38:01] <NoNoro>	 If I created a property page would it list the pages then and allow me to remove it again?
[18:40:11] <Saruman>	 if the property page doesn't list any pages, then there shouldn't be any
[18:40:38] <Saruman>	 if you removed all references to the property, then you may just have to wait for the property page itself to disappear
[18:40:55] <Saruman>	 job queue and all of that
[18:41:45] <NoNoro>	 I was hoping for this to happen, but it's been about a week (I think so)
[18:41:53] <NoNoro>	 Any way to force a refresh of this
[18:42:14] <Saruman>	 sure, via the command line
[18:43:43] <Saruman>	 https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Repairing_SMW%27s_data
[18:44:31] <NoNoro>	 Great, thanks. I'll have to ask one of the people with server access, but anything to clean up the mess.
[18:44:57] <NoNoro>	 Thanks for all the help! Bye and see you again when I run into another problem :D
[18:47:25] <Saruman>	 ok!
[21:49:20] <NoNoro>	 Hi, random question to anyone around - why is normal text with :: in it treated like a property?
[21:49:58] <NoNoro>	 A page on my wiki listed an error type for some software which had some text::some other text on it.
[21:50:14] <NoNoro>	 It wasn't in brackets, but for whatever reason it got parsed as a property
[21:50:18] <NoNoro>	 should that happen?