[00:57:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Replace smwfEncodeMessages with an instantiable class (IMessageFormatter)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58040
[02:08:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\Settings use for composition instead of $GLOBALS" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[02:16:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Depending an which one (this one or [1]) is going to be merged first there is a need for a rebase du..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57701
[09:15:53] <quietschie>	 hi, i can't find the special property "Creates pages with form" in my wiki. I can find "has default form" but also not "has alternative form". Where can i find those missing properties?
[09:29:48] <quietschie>	 i'm trying to do as explained in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Linking_to_forms#Populating_red-linked_pages_automatically
[09:30:21] <quietschie>	 but i do not have the special property in my wiki..i'm using latest version of SmenaticForms
[11:31:39] <quietschie>	 is there a separate channel for SemanticForms?
[11:44:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueParsers Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58877
[11:44:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueParsers Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58878
[11:50:08] <Saruman>	 quietschie: not that I ever heard of
[11:50:24] <Saruman>	 this is the one...
[11:54:29] <quietschie2>	 ok, so hopefully, i can find help here
[11:55:28] <quietschie2>	 i'm stuck on many problems simultaneously...perhaps with this one, someone can help me:
[11:56:05] <quietschie2>	 i'm trying to add pages to a namespace via http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Linking_to_forms#Adding_pages_of_a_specific_namespace
[11:56:53] <quietschie2>	 but always my query string is shortened in the browser to one without the namespace=... argument
[11:58:30] <quietschie2>	 i call {{#forminput:form=Rolle anlegen|query string=Rolle anlegen[Rolle in Film]={{FULLPAGENAME}}&namespace=Rolle}} in a template
[11:58:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58877
[11:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58878
[12:24:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueFormatters Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58883
[12:24:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueFormatters Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58884
[12:25:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58883
[12:25:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58884
[12:38:32] <quietschie2>	 yaron: hi, are there actually any issues with the namespace= argument in the {{#forminput - function?
[12:38:58] <yaron>	 I wasn't even aware that there's a namespace= argument.
[12:39:28] <quietschie2>	 a parameter in the query, whatever you'll call it
[12:40:10] <yaron>	 I'm still not aware. Can you paste the full syntax you're using?
[12:40:21] <quietschie2>	 i call {{#forminput:form=Rolle anlegen|query string=Rolle anlegen[Rolle in Film]={{FULLPAGENAME}}&namespace=Rolle}} in a template
[12:41:00] <quietschie2>	 like supposed in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Linking_to_forms#Adding_pages_of_a_specific_namespace
[12:41:08] <yaron>	 Oh. I forgot you can do that. :)
[12:41:24] <quietschie2>	 :)
[12:41:31] <yaron>	 Cool. So, is there a problem with it?
[12:41:41] <quietschie2>	 it doesn't work
[12:41:51] <yaron>	 Well, that's not good.
[12:41:52] <quietschie2>	 the url gets shortened
[12:42:15] <quietschie2>	 but nothing happens to the pagename
[12:43:28] <yaron>	 I just tried this, actually, and it works for me.
[12:43:40] <yaron>	 What version of SF and MW are you running?
[12:44:40] <quietschie2>	 i've to admit, that i can't use the latest SemanticForms, cause i'm stuck on DataWiki, based on mw 1.17, so i hafe SF 2.3.2
[12:45:08] <yaron>	 Ah - I bet that's the issue.
[12:45:52] <quietschie2>	 i tried to use SF 2.5.2, but it didn't work with my mw
[12:46:35] <quietschie2>	 are there any versions between 2.3.2 and the actual availiable?
[12:47:03] <yaron>	 You mean, are there versions between 2.3.2 and 2.5.2?
[12:48:19] <quietschie2>	 no, i mean, can i get them?
[12:48:34] <quietschie2>	 and then, where?
[12:49:12] <quietschie2>	 i need a version where SF_FormEditTab.php is still included
[12:49:42] <quietschie2>	 this files missing threw the exception
[12:51:12] <yaron>	 You can get older versions here - look for the tags, and click "snapshot": https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms.git;a=shortlog
[12:52:41] <quietschie2>	 thanks, i hope there is one that works
[12:53:05] <yaron>	 My guess, by the way, is that the issue isn't compatibility with MW, but rather compatibility with "Automatic Semantic Forms" or whatever it is.
[12:53:59] <quietschie2>	 oh, thanks, i'll try that first
[12:57:33] <quietschie2>	 yaron, your guess was totally right...kicked automatic semantic forms, upgraded to SF 2.5.2 and works fine!
[12:57:40] <quietschie2>	 thank you very much!
[12:57:49] <yaron>	 Cool! No problem.
[13:10:01] <siebrand>	 Just reported https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47171
[13:10:07] <siebrand>	 PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method DataValues\GeoCoordinateValue::isValid() in includes/SM_GeoCoordsValue.php on line 135
[13:10:23] <siebrand>	 Currently observed on translatewiki.net.
[13:18:28] <Saruman>	 siebrand: sounds like something for JeroenDeDauw
[13:19:29] <siebrand>	 Saruman: JeroenDeDauw is not responding at the moment. Probably afk.
[13:19:48] <siebrand>	 IRC data indicates he's been idle for the past 30 mins or so.
[13:19:55] <Saruman>	 ok
[13:28:41] <quietschie2>	 yaron: sry, the success message was wrong information...but with SF 2.4 and Automatic Semantic Forms now everything seems to work fine
[13:28:57] <yaron>	 Alright.
[13:29:07] <yaron>	 Are you actually using Automatic Semantic Forms, by the way?
[13:30:33] <quietschie2>	 i've to admit, that i don't know...i installed it at once and don't know which feature comes from which extension
[13:31:34] <yaron>	 Alright.
[13:34:18] <quietschie2>	 i know i'm using semantic Form Select, i have exttended it a little to automatically hide unused selects...perhaps i can bundle all my efforts to a SemanticForms extension
[13:45:07] <yaron>	 quietschie2: as far as I know, Semantic Forms Select is now basically obsolete, now that SF has a "values from query" option.
[13:47:49] <quietschie2>	 which i unfortunately can't use...the only thing why i use datawiki is their opportunity to connect a triplestore and so get transitive results in querys...one feature causes so much problems in other relations...pity
[14:01:44] <STalKer-X>	 alright is not a proper word ;p
[14:03:12] <yaron>	 STalKer-X: what do you mean?
[14:04:28] <STalKer-X>	 yaron: "Many people use 'alright' unaware that it is not widely accepted as a word." :-)
[14:04:41] <yaron>	 What's that a quote from?
[14:06:21] <STalKer-X>	 from grammar-monster.com
[14:06:37] <yaron>	 Well, I disagree with them.
[14:07:57] <STalKer-X>	 you can read about alright vs. all right almost everywhere
[14:09:09] <STalKer-X>	 even oxford dictionary has a page about it :D
[14:09:54] <quietschie2>	 #wisenheimer
[14:10:24] <STalKer-X>	 i love you too
[14:10:51] <quietschie2>	 Alright :)
[14:11:12] <STalKer-X>	 quietscheente :)
[14:11:25] <quietschie2>	 so ist das
[14:37:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of removed interface" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58895
[14:37:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58895
[15:27:30] <STalKer-X>	 yaron: did SMW 1.7.1 have problems with moving pages?
[15:47:47] <yaron>	 STalKer-X: what do you mean by problems?
[15:48:35] <STalKer-X>	 like having 2 identical entries in the semantic database
[15:49:26] <STalKer-X>	 i guess it is wikias fault :p
[15:57:06] <Frank___>	 Today I have a very simple question.  I scanned the docs first.
[16:09:14] <Frank___>	 I have form fields on two different pages.  One I set as "input type=geocoordinates".  The other I set as "input type=Geographic coordinate".  Which one is right?
[16:09:34] <Frank___>	 Alternately, are either of them right?  :)
[16:10:05] <Frank___>	 Or does it even matter?
[16:31:20] <Saruman>	 Frank___: have you checked http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Properties_and_types?
[16:32:10] <Saruman>	 and for your last question: what do you think will happen if you ask Semantic Forms to interpret a field as some type of data that SF cannot recognize?
[16:38:14] <salquint>	 Hi folks.  Is there a query option to check that a date is within the range of dated changes listed in history?
[16:39:33] <salquint>	 I said that a little wrong.  Example:  I want to know if any changes were made between April 1, 2012 and Mar 31, 2013.
[16:39:43] <Frank___>	 Saruman, looks like I missed that page.  I never look in the right places in the docs.  Geographic coordinate it is.  As for an unknown field type, I assume SF ignores it.
[16:47:20] <yaron>	 salquint: by "changes", do you mean edits in the wiki? If so, you can't query on those, unless you use the Semantic History extension.
[16:47:27] <yaron>	 (Which I think doesn't work.)
[16:50:27] <salquint>	 I'm trying to find all the pages that had changes in a particular range.  I was looking at Semantic History, I'm not quite sure that's what I'm after, although if it's broken, that makes the choice easier.