[01:37:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added handling for "phantom pages" (pages with an invalid namespace)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58263
[01:40:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58263
[01:55:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Kill IQueryProcessor/QueryProcessor class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57439
[01:58:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Rebase and bye bye" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57439
[01:59:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57439
[02:13:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "srf.formats.eventcalendar() switch to use smw.Api() and smw.Query()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58132
[02:16:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Qunit are passed locally, on MW 1.22 jquery CSS loading seems to be broken (see bug 46401) which is ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58132
[02:16:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58132
[02:54:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Shirayuki; "Add comments for grep" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53019
[03:00:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add comments for grep" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53019
[03:02:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "srf_printername_outline, srf_printername_sum, srf_printername_average, srf_printername_max doesn't b..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53019
[03:03:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53019
[04:09:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "(10 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58040
[10:08:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Awesome, thanks" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58080
[10:37:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\Settings use for composition instead for $GLOBALS" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[10:44:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Heh - did you not already do this?!" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[10:45:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\Settings use for composition instead of $GLOBALS" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[10:48:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Right, contained in one of the old commits which I abandoned. This commit is clean and lean, only ap..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[10:59:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "This together with the smwfEncodeMessages change will make sure that the constructor is using approp..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[13:09:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "New version: 0.7.5" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58297
[13:09:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58297
[13:25:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[14:55:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\Settings use for composition instead of $GLOBALS" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[16:21:25] <saheb>	 yaron, hi
[16:24:43] <Saruman>	 lunchtime in NYC
[16:25:48] <saheb>	 okay, have you used semantic forms?
[16:26:17] <Saruman>	 me? sure
[16:26:21] <Saruman>	 all the time
[16:28:23] <saheb>	 i just wanted to start with an example and was thinking of movies
[16:29:03] <saheb>	 i wanted to know it's good enough to start with
[16:29:28] <saheb>	 any thing can be done with semantic forms right?
[16:29:39] <Saruman>	 no not exactly
[16:29:55] <Saruman>	 SF offers a form that results in creation or editing of a wikipage
[16:30:01] <Saruman>	 it is not an application front-end
[16:30:09] <Saruman>	 although many people seem to bend it that way
[16:48:01] <saheb>	 Saruman, i didn't understand it
[16:48:24] <saheb>	 I mean it is used to add structured data right using forms right?
[16:49:03] <Saruman>	 that depends on how you look at it
[16:49:07] <Saruman>	 literally, that's true
[16:49:27] <Saruman>	 but really SF is "only" a front-end that helps create or edit wikipages
[16:49:42] <Saruman>	 and *they* really add the structured data
[16:50:13] <Saruman>	 You don't need SF to create a good knowledge base
[16:50:27] <Saruman>	 but if you want it to be easy usable, you need SF
[16:50:37] <Saruman>	 and then you can make a good knowledge base into a great one
[16:51:47] <saheb>	 you mean retrieving and querying knowledge base is good with SF
[16:51:54] <saheb>	 and that's its usp?
[16:52:35] <Saruman>	 I don't use SF for any retrieving or querying, so I don't know if it can do that or not
[16:53:05] <Saruman>	 saheb, have you looked at the SF examples on Referata?
[16:53:23] <saheb>	 what do u mean by easy usable and creation of great one?
[16:53:30] <saheb>	 yeah the books one i did
[16:53:52] <saheb>	 in which it creates class i.e. wikipages for books and authors
[16:54:18] <Saruman>	 I refer to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms and then the "example" entry in the infobox on the right
[16:58:50] <saheb>	 okay i can conclude that SF are the nicer easier way to create structured data right?
[16:59:26] <Saruman>	 almost
[16:59:46] <saheb>	 what do you use it for?
[17:00:00] <Saruman>	 ok an example from my own wiki
[17:00:10] <Saruman>	 http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar-dev/index.php/GF.Backup
[17:00:33] <Saruman>	 that page shows a lot of information on some artefact
[17:00:49] <Saruman>	 how do I enter this information? 2 ways possible
[17:01:07] <Saruman>	 click "view source" and you get an idea of the first, hard way
[17:01:32] <Saruman>	 click "view form" and you get an idea of the second, easy way - with a Semantic Form
[17:02:39] <saheb>	 kool , got some clear idea now
[17:03:01] <saheb>	 and there must be a problem of adding sections using forms right?
[19:01:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 42128) "Powered by Semantic MediaWiki" button redesign" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58320
[19:13:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "For an image preview make sure to choose the attachment provided by d3mon (Bug 42128)." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58320
[20:29:51] <Saruman>	 saheb, no there are no problems adding sections using forms
[20:30:57] <Saruman>	 it's just that you'll be presenting the whole of the page, with some button that can add a section. You can't have a form for just that new section
[20:31:07] <Saruman>	 (at least not that I know of)
[20:37:08] <saheb>	 okay, I think I am getting I am getting it
[20:37:56] <saheb>	 what can be the benefits of adding forms for sections?
[20:46:53] <Saruman>	 saheb, I wouldn't know how to do that
[20:47:30] <Saruman>	 I can only make forms for whole pages, with the possibility of adding multiple copies of sections
[20:51:46] <saheb>	 it is a gsoc project :)
[20:51:56] <saheb>	 so just trying to figure it out :)
[21:39:47] <saheb>	 yaron, there?
[22:06:18] <yaron>	 saheb: hello!