[18:41:02] <gadams>	 How much pain am I in for going from 1.5 to 1.8 ?
[18:42:05] <Saruman>	 a world of hurt will open up and devour you!
[18:42:20] <Saruman>	 one moment, going for coffee
[18:45:51] * gadams  not sure if Bot or user.

[18:50:01] <Saruman>	 re
[18:50:15] <Saruman>	 if you're confused if you're a bot or a user, take the blue pill :-)
[18:50:49] <Saruman>	 gadams: couple of big changes with each major version leap you need to look at
[18:51:41] <Saruman>	 create backups, read the release notes, create backups, and maybe do 1.7.1 as intermediate step, create backups, test your upgrade
[18:51:49] <Saruman>	 and oh, don't forget to create backups
[19:12:18] <gadams>	 on no! fsf staff! run everyone!
[19:12:35] <gadams>	 Saruman: thanks. I'm still running SMW+ 1.5 from OnToPrise
[19:17:50] <Saruman>	 ah!
[19:17:56] <Saruman>	 that may be even a bigger jump than
[19:17:57] <Saruman>	 then
[19:18:41] <Saruman>	 Better check carefully what OntoPrise features you're currently using that are absent from SMW, or have been introduced differently
[19:19:07] <Saruman>	 maybe first go to vanilla versions of your current SMW+ extensions at the same version number
[19:19:21] <Saruman>	 did I mention backup?
[19:19:29] <gadams>	 You did ;-)
[19:19:41] <Saruman>	 good, I'll mention it one more time :-)
[19:19:45] <gadams>	 I have a S3 bucket that autosyncs *.sql.gz backups
[19:19:58] <Saruman>	 ok that's one part you need to backup
[19:20:06] <gadams>	 I know about the code base
[19:20:15] <gadams>	 I'll throw it in to git an work on it from there with branches
[19:20:27] <Saruman>	 it's also good to create copies of the actual configuration (LocalSettings.php), files, and code base inc. extensions
[19:21:28] <Saruman>	 what version of MW are you running now?
[19:21:44] <gadams>	 1.15.1 from the changelog file
[19:21:53] <gadams>	 (I've inherited this)
[19:22:56] <Saruman>	 ok, first step could be to go to MW 1.15.5 with SMW 1.5.6
[19:23:19] <Saruman>	 other semantic extensions you use?
[19:23:28] <gadams>	 Most that don't exist anymore.
[19:23:56] <Saruman>	 gotta phase them out at some point - may as well be now
[19:23:56] <gadams>	 Yup
[19:25:14] <gadams>	 Have you tried DataWiki?
[19:25:22] <Saruman>	 no, what is it
[19:25:45] <gadams>	 http://diqa-pm.com/en/DataWiki
[19:26:19] <gadams>	 The company that bought OnToPrise
[19:26:19] <Saruman>	 ah, daniel hansch went there
[19:27:01] <Saruman>	 well, i'm a bit wary of non-free wiki components
[19:27:36] <Saruman>	 i rather have free components and pay for development
[19:27:45] <gadams>	 I agree
[19:27:51] <gadams>	 I'm the low man on the totem poll
[19:28:27] <Saruman>	 <-- more coffee
[20:09:31] <yaron>	 gadams: no, the company that bought Ontoprise was Semafora; DIQA is the company founded by a few Ontoprise alumni.
[20:10:48] <gadams>	 Ah, gotcha.
[20:26:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "new parameters 'root' and 'start level'; bugfix; some clean-up" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52266
[20:26:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Foxtrott; "It works all right and nobody complained yet." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52266
[20:26:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Foxtrott; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52266
[20:52:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added new "minimum instances" and "maximum instances" template params" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55956
[20:54:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55956
[20:59:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55956