[04:18:42] i'm having a problem with __SHOWFACTBOX__. At first, I thought I was forgetting to add the directive to the page. Nope. It's there. SMW just simply stops displaying the factbox after a few views/reloads. [04:19:26] The factbox is displayed after I change the page and save, giving a false sense of accomplishment. [04:19:48] After a reload or two or three, the factbox will just disappear. [04:21:29] I'm the only user on the wiki and it's a fresh install of the SMW bundle. [04:22:26] I'm running MediaWiki 1.20.2, PHP 5.4.8, mySQL 5.0.95 [04:23:00] I've done a preliminary search for this behavior but haven't found anybody else discussing this exactly [04:23:57] If anybody wants a first-hand experience of the problem, msg me for credentials [04:24:12] smells like a bug [04:24:24] at least it sure acts like one [04:51:10] New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 31880) add column class (based on datavalue type)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [04:59:19] New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 31880) add column class (based on datavalue type)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [05:37:57] New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix jenkins checkstyleResult" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53527 [05:42:34] New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix jenkins checkstyleResult" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53527 [07:59:51] New review: Foxtrott; "Would it make sense to use the name of the type (e.g. 'Date', 'Number', etc.) instead of the ID? The..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [08:13:41] New review: Mwjames; "No, this would make no sense since the typeID is language independent and can be integrated without ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [08:59:34] New patchset: Mwjames; "srf.formats.datatables() add column class using datavalue typeID" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53544 [09:06:44] New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 31880) add column class (based on datavalue type)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [09:36:17] New review: Foxtrott; "The conversion table already exists: $smwgContLang->getDataTypeLabels." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [09:39:34] New review: Foxtrott; "Hmm, what about adding both the id and the label. You would then have language independent css class..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [09:43:30] New review: Mwjames; "Yet you introducing another global state variable where on the opposite we drive for encapsulation a..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [09:55:39] New review: Foxtrott; "The global state variable already exists, I would only introduce the use of it. Because there is no ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [10:02:51] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Optimize pngs" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53552 [10:14:34] New review: Mwjames; ">> javascript printers: Setting both the id and the label as css class would solve this" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [11:24:02] hi, i'm embedding pages (B,C,D) via query into page A. Page B contains a Query, that has results on Page B, but the embedded B on A shows no results. Is this the expected behaviour? is there a way to show the exactly same Page B embedded on Page A? [11:29:06] i'm using a reference {{FULLPAGENAME}} in the query of Page B...does this variable refer to Page A on the embedded query? [11:31:44] ok, it seems to be that that is the problem [11:32:22] is there a way to use {{FULLPAGENAME}} embed-safe? [11:38:47] quietschie: sounds more like an MW question than SMW; nevertheless: I don't think so [11:39:59] Saruman: i think it's unlikely that i should be the first to address this problem [11:43:48] quietschie: it is only a problem if you make it one [11:44:29] Saruman: so i guess there is another way to achieve what i'm longing for? [11:44:59] probably. [11:46:16] but you don't know one, do you? [11:46:43] I know many, but you're not going to like any of them [11:47:21] your description of you rproblem sounds to me as if you're using SMW in a way that (in my opinion) it is not intended or suited [11:48:06] in what way? [11:48:14] first I'd suggest to step back from the painting, and make an information model [11:48:27] what do the pages in your wiki represent, what are the semantics that match that [11:49:01] ok, that is done [11:49:03] I find it peculiar that you're embedding pages in other pages, as the semantics get mixed up [11:49:22] I'd expect a good information model negating the need for embedding [11:49:54] but on the other hand, what do I know? [11:50:02] sry, what do you mean by "the semantics get mixed up"? [11:51:04] a page represents a concept, and all properties of the page belong to that concept. If you embed that page in another one, what does that semantically mean? [11:51:43] i hope that the semantic anotations still belong to the embedded page, even though she is embedded [11:52:01] that's not an answer to my question [11:53:10] well in my case it does mean that the user wants a view that shows one level more detail on one page...but the semantics still have to do that level [11:53:52] so i'm gathering sub-information and present it [11:54:48] if i could annotate the section of an article, i would do that [11:57:02] still not an answer to your question? [11:59:14] Saruman: sorry, i'd like to talk that over with you, but i've to catch my train. I'll be back in some hours [13:39:03] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53527 [13:41:13] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53520 [17:54:34] __SHOWFACTBOX__ is confirmed buggy on my install [17:55:01] the factbox stops appearing if the page is hard-reloaded, requested from another browser, or the user log outs and back in [17:55:37] So... how can I replicate the SHOWFACTBOX with a template? [17:55:45] is there a built-in template that SHOWFACTBOX uses? [18:59:47] holy cow. in case anybody is interested... adding a call to {{Special:Browse}} forces __SHOWFACTBOX__ to work properly [19:00:46] the {{Special:Browse}} produces no output, but does something such that the factbox appears reliably [19:01:49] score one for magic/voodoo workarounds [19:15:20] hobosak: wondrous discovery [19:15:42] but the factbox shouldn't be unreliable - and in fact, I've never seen it act unreliable [19:44:43] saruman: a magical, fantastic discovery indeed. and yeah, i was surprised by the bad behavior, but I triangulated the ill-behavior enough to confirm bugginess [19:46:42] i'm not sure how to approach the bug. maybe there's hosting weirdness, but webfaction, as a rule, does not suck. [19:49:20] there's something involving cache hits. as long as the user stays logged in and doesn't refresh/reload the factbox will present. [19:49:48] mebby look into the versions of the different MW/SMW/extension components [19:50:24] i'm working with whatever was fresh 2 weeks ago [19:50:31] SMW bundle [19:51:14] this seems like a corner, corner case [19:55:37] quite possibly [19:56:54] could you maybe post a bug report on this behaviour? [19:57:13] even if we cannot pin down the exact cause, it may be good to have a note of it in Bugzilla [19:59:21] gladly. i sort of wanted to provide repro instructions on my install, but it's a private wiki [19:59:40] what's a good way to handle that? [19:59:54] repro? [20:00:01] reproduction of the error [20:00:08] ah [20:00:13] dunno, really [20:00:31] k. me neither. :-) [20:00:41] I'd think relevant information is the set of components you use, their version numbers, a little info on the PHP and server setup [20:00:42] i'll finger something out [20:01:08] that'll go along way [20:01:11] yah, [20:01:14] plus the remedy [20:01:18] lol [20:01:32] the fact that your {{Special:Browse}} use seems to solve it [20:01:46] that prolly points devs into the right direction [20:01:47] yeah. what a thing [20:01:51] agreed [20:02:02] although they likely will ask you to run some tests, as yuor wiki is privat [20:02:17] corner corner cases are devilish to reproduce [20:02:18] fair enough. i might just provide contact info or something [20:02:24] ugh. yeah [20:02:26] that's automatic on bugzilla [20:02:33] oo. [20:02:34] neat [20:02:41] you post the error, you get notified of replies [20:02:55] and others can contact me for logins? [20:03:18] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ [20:03:34] if necessary and desired, yes I think so [20:03:43] perfect. that's all we need [20:03:52] that and some version numbers [20:04:03] and some calls to {{Voodoo:WaveChicken}} [20:04:11] also keep a lookout here for yaron or jeroendedauw_ [20:04:17] ok [20:04:30] they handle the Semantic Bundle, although not every component in it [20:04:53] but if you find them here, they'll still be very happy to find your bug in bugzilla [20:05:17] cool. i'll take a break from head-desking about this and file a bug report [20:05:36] please! And thanks on behalf of all the other SMW users [20:05:40] it's definitely worth a report, corner case or not [20:05:48] true dat [20:05:48] my pleasure. thx to you all as well [20:05:52] :-) [22:05:48] jeroendedauw_: Can you tell me which parts Semantic Maps needs from Maps? [22:06:13] I need to write a modified version of Maps for use with Semantic Maps, and I'm considering whether it would be easier to hack Maps, or to write a drop-in replacement. [22:06:46] The latter featuring just the parts I need, of course.