[00:06:23] night [00:25:06] New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Fix for generating a template field if no property and "display-if-not-empty"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50721 [00:31:42] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50721 [09:47:02] New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Simplified and cleaned up code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50736 [09:48:23] New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Simplified and cleaned up code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50736 [15:35:55] I've been out of this for a while, but see an opportunity to re-engage. Could someone point me to where I can find out what happened to the evolution of the core development that used to be strongly associated with "ontology?" and where is that relationship now? I know that semantic-mediawiki.org now has the documentation and is the site repository. [15:38:15] Wasn't that all SMW+? [15:38:49] Velyks: I believe so, I know they were out of KIT and Markus was closely associated. [15:39:17] I think all that stuffs still in limbo somewhere [15:40:38] Aye, was wondering - I remember they also had a set of security enhancements. Was investigating Jena, StarDog, etal and thought I should go back and look - had been taking SMW for granted. [15:42:41] Ontoprise! [15:43:03] SMW+ is an open source software bundle composed of the wiki application MediaWiki along with a number of its extensions. It was originally developed by the German software company Ontoprise GmbH. In 2012, Ontoprise GmbH filed for bankruptcy.[1] Commercial support for SMW+ is now offered by DIQA-Projektmanagement GmbH, a start-up founded by former Ontoprise employees [16:16:34] Next question - do semantic queries filter responses based on namespace security protections like the rest of MW? [16:30:51] jdpond: no; although I didn't know the rest of MediaWiki did that either. [17:18:59] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50736 [17:19:00] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50736 [17:26:45] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add missing use statement and use one line for each" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50754 [17:28:59] Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50754 [17:38:10] Hey Yaron - great to hear from you - sorry I've been lost. Actually, I did make a couple changes to root that would check title to see if protected and if so, would not display. Was so long ago can't remember how I did it. [17:38:27] s/root/MW core/ [17:41:03] Would not display what? The title, or the contents? [17:42:47] See http://dpaste.org/fEoeY/ [17:43:51] Those are the protect hooks. I also added to img_auth.php [17:44:29] (getGroupPermissions) [17:45:43] It started out as userCan, but evovled to getGroupPermissions + all the search hooks (see dpaste above). [17:47:12] Would display neither if the hooks were all used (title or contents). Did not include in search set. [17:48:14] yaron: can an SIO have multi-valued properties? [17:48:20] Been thinking about a way to add ACLs to Triplets, but common way seems to be protecting the document in which they are contained. [17:48:39] dbolser: yes, using "#list". [17:48:56] Lists of values [17:48:57] ty [17:49:03] (I should google before I ask ;-) [17:49:13] jdpond: well, the read-permission thing isn't consistenly applied in MediaWiki; Special:Search and Special:RecentChanges both ignore it, as far as I know. [17:51:39] Yaron: I created patches for both, but because they filtered out AFTER the return, you could get short, or non-existent return sets. I have a patch somewhere that fixes, just never got around to committing (or getting support to commit). [17:51:59] There you go, then. [17:52:05] yaron: was there ever an issue due to values with commas going missing? [17:52:21] dont' see that on my test server, but see it on the live box (different sio versions I suspect) [17:52:29] I don't understand the question... [17:52:39] You mean, values that themselves contain commas? [17:52:49] yes [17:53:04] Without the patches, you can see title in the return set, but not content, which is half an answer, I know, but better than none and good enough in most cases. [17:53:05] Right - yes, those won't be handled correctly. [17:53:07] for some reason, about six values go missing in my SIO, all of them have commas in them [17:53:10] ok [17:53:25] oh, I want to make them lists in teh end, just currently they go missing completely [17:53:47] http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Import_and_store_the_HTS_mapper_compendium [17:54:07] dbolser: #subobject in SMW 1.9 has better handling for lists, though I hate to admit it. [17:54:13] hmm... sorry, citations doesn't contain a ,, but it goes missing [17:54:15] You can set the separator character. [17:54:26] OK, I should learn abotu subobjects prolly [17:54:46] And it works correctly for files (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NSFileRepo) :) [17:54:56] If it's a non-comma issue, I'd have to see the #set_internal call. [17:55:00] jdpond: nice going. [17:55:23] yaron: http://seqanswers.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Import_and_store_the_HTS_mapper_compendium&action=edit [17:56:44] bbl [17:57:13] dbolser: Great to see your name again, https://openhpi.de/course/semanticweb [17:57:21] dbolser: lmkwygb [20:50:49] New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added handling for removal for String property type in SMW 1.9" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50780 [21:05:10] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50780 [21:40:06] hey yaron, is there a way to send users directly to a One Step page, like if you state [[Has default form::myForm]], can you do that same thing with One step process? [21:43:06] Demos74dx: yes, using #formlink. [21:43:15] (If I understood your question correctly.) [21:43:34] oh derp, should have just read one paragraph down instead of coming up with a question [21:43:38] lol [21:43:43] Ah! [21:47:24] uhm. can I use a form for redlinks? [21:48:01] sven^: yes, using "Has default form" in the property page. [21:48:17] for which property? [21:48:39] The property that points to that red-linked page; you need to have one for it to work. [21:49:39] oh, ok. So there is no way to use a form for all redlinks? [21:50:00] I made a "New Page" Form which let's the user select a category and decide if he wants the page to be linked on the main page [21:51:00] You can do that, too, if you associate "Has default form" with the main namespace. [21:51:23] This is all covered in the documentation, by the way. [21:52:21] yeah, Just reading up on it... Was there something else in the documentation a while ago? [21:52:40] I tried this before, about a year ago and I think there was another solution there which didn't work for me [21:52:57] I just got remindend by Demos74dx question and thought I'd ask again [21:53:10] Well, if there's a bug, I'd like to know about it. [21:53:23] I'll try it out right now.. [21:54:32] in your book you have query string=Quote[Author]={{PAGENAME}} [21:55:22] does {{PAGENAME}} get replaced with Special:FormEdit/quote ? [21:56:03] oh target= [21:56:29] No, it gets replaced with the name of the page where the #formlink call is. [21:59:14] yaron: so I want to edit the page MyWiki's Name:Main right? [21:59:29] Yes, that sounds right. [21:59:49] while MyWiki's Name is $wgSitename? [22:00:42] No... just go to the page "Project:Main". [22:00:52] That will probably redirect you, to the right page. [22:01:43] yeah, it's the same page... Project:Main redirects me to $wgSitename:Main [22:03:59] [[Has default form::NeueSeite]] on that page... clicking a redlink just leads to index.php?title=FooBar&action=edit&redlink=1 [22:04:03] no form is used... [22:05:06] sven^: I don't know. Maybe you need to refresh/purge the page with the link? [22:06:19] nope. Also ran runJobs.php.. [22:07:41] Ah... if the site is in German, you need to instead edit "Project:<"main" in German">". [22:08:15] It should be "Project:Startseite". [22:08:16] so #formlink is on the form page, and on the page linking to the form page? [22:08:51] Demos74dx: it doesn't have to be on the form page... it's wherever you want to put it, I guess. [22:08:52] yaron: isn't it about NS_MAIN? [22:08:56] I am confused [22:09:28] sven^: yes, it is - I think it's a poor translation, into German, on someone's part. [22:10:02] man I'm so confused. [22:11:11] so on the form page: I have the One step process with the autoincrement. Then on any page I want to create an autoincremented page for, I put #formlink? [22:11:37] I guess... sure. [22:12:32] so on the form page, I should ony either have the One step "info" tag stuff, and no #forminput? [22:12:38] yaron: where do I find out the name? [22:13:07] sven^: you can go to the page "MediaWiki:sf_blank_namespace". [22:15:04] neat, thanks [22:16:55] oh yeah. Now it works. Thanks a lot yaron... [22:17:04] Cool, no problem. [22:17:21] stuff like this should be documented somewhere... [22:17:47] I don't think I am the first one to try this and I guess only devs know about MediaWiki:sf_blank_namespace [22:18:31] I think I'm close [22:19:21] so now I'm just trying to figure out how you interject the "Author" [22:19:38] I'm guessing you need Property:Author? [22:20:40] sven^: feel free to improve the documentation. [22:21:05] Demos74dx: no, the query string stuff is unrelated to properties. [22:21:17] You just need to match the template and field name in the form. [22:21:30] hummm okay [22:27:09] is there an autogrow aequivalent to "fill the page"? [22:27:50] sven^: height-wise? No. [22:28:02] more like width wise [22:29:26] Oh... you can set the width of a textarea to 100%, if that's what you mean. [22:31:53] how? width=? [22:34:17] I could use cols=300, which would be fine for my screen resolution, but I guess users will complain then ;) [22:36:06] actually I use a free text input: {{{standard input|free text|rows=25|autogrow}}} [22:36:38] Yaron, many years ago I added documentation for #formlink, but it got reverted as being too complex and confusing. Any chance I could go back and find that? I think it was on the ontoprise documentation? [22:37:29] jdpond: if it was in the Ontoprise documentation, it might be gone forever. [22:37:52] Rats - probably not valid anyway. [22:38:22] sven^: it's more complicated than it should be, but you need to set a CSS class, using "class=", and then set the "width: 100%" thing in a page like MediaWiki:Common.css. [22:39:08] eeks. Ok. Never mind. I hate css ;) [22:42:06] Sven, you can also do it using tables - let me see if I can find an example. [22:43:12] na, that's even more hacky.. thanks [22:43:16] it's ok like this [22:49:32] New patchset: Foxtrott; "Store semantic data after successfully uploading a file from Special:Upload" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50828 [22:58:17] New review: Mwjames; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50828 [23:14:50] New review: Foxtrott; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: -1 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50828 [23:15:16] Change abandoned: Foxtrott; "Needs more work." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50828