[01:40:36] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add QUnit support" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45709 [01:44:11] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45709 [08:40:07] New review: Foxtrott; "I would -2 this if I still could. :P" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45325 [09:13:18] ... sigh, why does a search box need javascript [09:13:26] you silly kids are always complexifying things! [09:14:23] oh, even worse ... "#ask" is unsearchable [09:28:30] ... eh? [09:29:02] bonsaikitten: #ask itself searches, that's what it does [09:30:00] Saruman: so how do I search for the specific term "#ask" on the website? :) [09:30:17] which website? [09:30:19] "ask" works, which is quite ... sigh ... you kids need to reconsider a few things ;) [09:30:42] search box on http://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/ [09:30:59] well, the search engine behind the search box is a mediawiki-thing [09:31:09] if I weren't too busy undoing the damage of an attempted 1.8 update I'd file about a dozen bugs for that [09:31:19] and it searches the wikitexts, not the html on the site [09:31:47] I believe there are multiple sites on the Intertubes "why mediawiki search sucks" [09:31:49] the concept of "graceful degradation" seems to be lost ... it should do *something*, not just absolutely nothing at all [09:32:17] (if it were only search that sucked, well, then I'd be a lot less grumpy ;) ) [09:32:37] heh [09:32:47] but I disagree on the "graceful degradation" point. [09:33:06] doing something instead of nothing is a UI issue, not a fault tolerance problem [09:37:02] well, if I click the frigging button, do SOMETHING ... and if it's only displaying a default error template [09:37:18] doing nothing is quite offensive - I can't decide *why* it doesn't work [09:37:34] I do agree on that [09:37:38] (thunderbird has done this a few times to me, it's really horrible stupid way to frustrate debugging attempts) [16:54:57] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "removed unused use statement" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45780 [18:51:08] Saruman: btw you keep going to bed before I can thank you for all your help. [18:52:12] Saruman: I have another simple question (I think even more simple than before). How do you edit a form once you've created it? I tried hand editing the wiki page for it and the template, and even making the property by hand but it's not working correctly as far as I can tell. I couldn't find a support doc about editing forms either. [19:14:28] Hey Kensie [19:14:49] yes, once created, you can edit forms by hand [19:15:01] the syntax for it is described in the extension's page [19:15:25] mainly http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms [19:16:15] You can also draw inspiration from the many semantic wikis that use forms, look at their source and learn how to shape your forms [19:17:03] Saruman: well I tried just copying another part of the form and pasting [19:17:52] that's how we all start :-) [19:18:01] You can also buy Yaron's book [19:18:02] http://workingwithmediawiki.com/ [19:18:14] Chapter 17 is on forms [19:18:40] Hey, thanks for the plug! [19:18:45] and have a peek at my forms: http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/Special:Forms [19:18:50] yaron, you deserve it [19:19:04] :) [19:19:11] it's really a good book [19:19:31] so when I look at the page, it has the extra thing there, but when I try to edit the page with form I get an error that the thing can't be used as a page title [19:19:45] ... eh? [19:20:01] "the extra thing"? [19:20:07] the thing i added [19:20:19] got a link? [19:20:33] I will try and make a screengrab [19:20:58] worked! http://grab.by/jkBw [19:21:06] (the screengrab worked to show the error that is) [19:21:20] so I added the contact as we were talking about yesterday [19:22:27] I can make a grab or paste the template and the form as well [19:22:51] ah, clear [19:23:46] My guess is you're doing this out of order [19:24:07] wouldn't surprise me! [19:24:11] using forms means playing with templates, fields, the form, and presumably semantics [19:24:17] and the actual pages [19:24:44] Yes, this is what I couldn't find, a guide to what you have to change and in what order :-p [19:24:51] I'd advise this order: first fix the template that takes the new thing, so that it accepts it as a field [19:24:59] including error handling [19:25:06] then add the field to the form [19:25:13] though, would it work to kill the form and make it again? [19:25:25] it would, but you wouldn't learn much from that [19:25:35] and you'll be back at this point in no time [19:25:36] I think that's the order I did it in though, or I did form then template [19:25:56] for all the power in the SF creation wizard, it still can't edit [19:26:28] so every form will either have to be edited by hand, or never ever change until the universe dies [19:26:35] (or the server, whicheve rcomes first) [19:27:33] well, test your page by editing an existing one by hand, adding the named field in the correct template [19:27:41] the page should "work" [19:28:07] only then can you test if the form can actually open that page, and see the value from that named field in the form at the location you expect [19:28:48] have you deduced what's going wrong in your current page? what the error means? [19:31:40] I could tell you, but you'll feel really smart if you discover it yourself [19:31:57] (at least that's what it works like for me :-)))) [19:45:31] Saruman: sorry, got some client chats (doing live support) [20:10:26] no worries [20:36:06] Saruman: well it seems to have something to do with the syntax making it think it's a page title. However I copied the syntax. [20:36:39] Saruman: it must be to do with the datatype [20:36:45] but I'm not sure where that's set [20:41:04] oh huh [20:41:13] the syntax in the form is totally wrong [20:42:20] Saruman: Yay I did it! [20:42:47] either it was because I did things backwards, or because I usually play with the wiki at the end of my shift when my brain is fried ;) [20:42:59] I had template syntax in the form [20:48:37] heheh [20:48:53] and how did it feel, figuring it out by yourself [20:49:00] pretty good, huh [20:52:32] Kensie: wanna learn how I diagnosed your prob? [20:53:32] Saruman: sure, but it is annoying to have someone constantly telling you how good it should feel ;) Honestly I care more that it works than who came up with the idea. [20:53:50] of course I do care about learning it myself so that I don't have to keep asking people for free help :-p [20:54:18] now I'm trying to figure out how to make "contact" a list like Countries is [20:54:47] got a screenshot of your list of Countries? [20:56:44] and I did it1 [20:56:55] omg again i totally missed all the syntax on the first try! [20:57:35] my ex is a coder, I'm not and I always knew to tell him to check his punctuation whenever he couldn't figure out a problem [20:57:42] meanwhile I'm hallucinating the stuff myself! [20:57:48] hehehe [20:58:02] but you're progressing quite rapidly, I think [20:58:30] well this is what I've been asking to be able to do from the start - copy/paste then customize [20:58:46] once the form maker made the entries for me I could see how to do it myself [20:59:05] yep [20:59:11] that plus the Intertubes [20:59:14] ;) [20:59:25] like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms [20:59:28] yes, to help when my brain forgets to do things it already knows [20:59:31] well I didn't use that [20:59:33] yet