[00:45:39] hi, i created a new property in a custom content Namespace, but the property isn't shown when i open Spezial:Properties. Any ideas? [00:48:21] hm, nevermind, i'll go to sleep and ask again tomorrow. [01:46:29] ah should I install the smw version that smw+ has then? [01:46:41] to build up smw+? [03:01:40] New review: Pastakhov; "You seriously think that there is a problem?" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [03:19:53] New patchset: Pastakhov; "add Leaflet map service (tested, stable)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [03:26:14] New review: Nischayn22; "now I am getting tired of this :(" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [03:26:47] New review: Nischayn22; "sure it works, but it shouldn't be difficult to read." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [03:51:40] New patchset: Pastakhov; "add Leaflet map service (tested, stable)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [03:53:46] New review: Pastakhov; "I hope it will be better. Now one can see that it is not necessary to read." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [10:06:33] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Brace style fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45526 [10:55:19] hi, why is it, that i can't see a property which i used in an extra namespace, when i look at Spezial:Properties? [10:56:31] also the {{#ask[[myProp::FULLPAGENAME]]}} doesn't give any results? [11:23:36] hi, why is it, that i can't see a property which i used in an extra namespace, when i look at Spezial:Properties? [11:23:40] also the {{#ask[[myProp::FULLPAGENAME]]}} doesn't give any results? [11:48:22] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Brace style fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45526 [13:53:07] h, has anyone of you experienced any difficulties with properties in extraNamespaces? [14:04:08] quietschie: you need to add to the array $smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks. [14:04:27] thx! [14:05:04] i didn't find this documented anywhere...is this secret knowledge? [14:07:53] quietschie: No. :) http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#smwgNamespacesWithSemanticLinks [14:08:01] I think a Google search would have found it. [14:08:32] yaron: only if i had the buzzword [14:09:04] That's true. [14:09:36] i've been searching the whole day...google + extraNamespace semantic gives a lot but not the right thing [14:31:29] yaron: what command should i use afterwards to refresh everything? [14:32:03] No command needed - it should just work. [14:32:22] ok, then i failed :) [14:34:10] is LocalSettings.php not the place to put that array? [14:36:30] found it..:) [14:40:26] Cool. [16:02:38] New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Removed probably-unnecessary call to $wgUser->isAllowed()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45551 [16:03:44] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45551 [16:25:15] hi! is it possible to install smw+ on osx? And are all the constituent parts of smw+ documented? Is anyone even using it still? [16:53:27] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "SMW\ListResultPrinter (bug 43932) + (bug 44275)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [16:54:40] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please take care to move the files in git, not delete and add them. Moving can be done using "git mv..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [16:56:23] sharris595: well, as far as I know, it's not currently possible to even *download* SMW+. [16:56:47] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "SMW\ListResultPrinter (bug 43932) + (bug 44275)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [17:00:56] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ahhh git y u no...." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [17:01:50] New review: Mwjames; "Well, in this case let me abandon this one and try again from scratch." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [17:03:23] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "No need... I just did a soft reset and made a new commit, did not fix it" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [17:04:41] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Perhaps avoid doing rename and changes in the same commit in the future" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [17:20:58] there is a smw+ installer for windows on github, but I guess support has gone away... [17:24:50] sharris595: strictly out of curiosity, what is it that makes you want to use SMW+ and not just SMW? [17:43:38] I'm on a project where we have some smw+ expertise in-house and want to use it. So I don't have an option about using that… I'm writing an android app to talk to it, using osx as my host. So I've spun up a windows vm with smw+ on it, but going from an android emulator to a windows vm running swm+ is… not trivial (maybe an http proxy will forward for me?). Easier for me would be if I could get smw+ running on [17:46:03] Well, "don't have an option" sounds like a bit of an exaggeration - my guess is that you do have the option of just using SMW. [17:46:25] If you really don't have an option, then, well... that's too bad. [17:49:03] well put.. [17:59:53] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [18:04:05] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "External/third party libraries should not be modified to follow MW coding conventions. This makes no..." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [18:08:52] hi can I run a Special Query without a form? I want to run a query that takes one parameter from the site it was run from, i.e. it's pagename [18:09:48] Domerich: you need a form, although - I don't see how that's related to your issue. [18:12:49] When the user clicks the link, I want it to show a page that returns a query with the parameter {{PAGENAME}} [18:13:11] so that I dont have to change the code everytime [18:13:19] I dont want to show it on the same page [18:25:01] Sorry, I don't understand. [18:26:48] okay maybe an example will help. http://domerich.funpic.de/wiki/index.php/Gr��te_Weltprobleme [18:27:35] at the bottom there is a link Timeline. When I click it, I want it to open Template:TestTimeline and give it the info {{PAGENAME}} from the page I clicked the link on [18:28:45] because I dont want to fill out a form for this [18:29:57] Oh, I see - this extension might be helpful, then: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UrlGetParameters [18:31:25] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45526 [18:31:34] thanks [18:39:03] is it possible to password protect a wiki site so only I can see it? [18:40:25] That sounds like a non-SMW question. [18:40:34] But you can use a .htaccess file for that. :) [18:54:49] New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticComments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45571 [18:55:03] New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWebBrowser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45572 [18:56:22] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticComments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45571 [18:56:27] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWebBrowser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45572 [19:04:11] ok ^^ [20:49:07] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "add Leaflet map service (tested, stable)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [20:50:50] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Did a quick skim, looks good mostly" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [21:39:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45660 [21:40:01] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44386 [21:41:29] Saruman: I finally figured out a simpler table to make ;) Managing mostly on my own but I have a question. Can I assign an email address to a person without making a page about that person? or rather is there a way to display email addresses as the name of the person you will reach? [21:41:35] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45660 [21:42:20] Kensie: sure there is; again, many ways to skin the feline companion [21:42:32] ah well a simple way ;) [21:42:42] it's a matter of selecting your information and deciding how to model it [21:42:55] so the table is of eg companies and some companies might have multiple contact people [21:43:08] do the companies have pages? [21:43:09] so when I list the contact people for the company I need their email addresses tied to their names [21:43:11] yes [21:43:14] the companies will have pages [21:43:42] then on the company page, you have some property "e-mail contact" and you can enter multiple of those [21:44:10] right, and do the email addresses associate with the names of the people? [21:44:23] the page I found that explains the email datatype doesn't have an example [21:44:32] then when you ask {{#ask: [[category:company]] |?e-mail contact}} you'll get the selected companies, and 0 or more email contacts per company [21:44:54] that's an issue with your information model [21:45:13] how can you associate email address with persons if you don't want pages on persons? [21:45:21] associate with something that isn't there? [21:45:37] yeah this stuff is very page based [21:45:44] no it isn't [21:45:57] well you assign properties to pages [21:46:05] yes [21:46:15] I just wasn't sure if the email address type allowed for assigning a name to the email address [21:46:15] because pages are the building blocks of a wiki [21:46:24] right, so it's page based ;) [21:46:36] there are no other things to assign properties to, are there? [21:46:44] in my head there are ;) [21:46:47] but it isn't "page based" per se [21:47:03] well sure, but your head isn't connected to the wiki server [21:47:15] XD [21:47:20] should be! [21:47:33] can be; just put your phone number on the main page :-D [21:48:14] ok So then the next question if I make pages for the people, when I'm making a table about the companies, will I be able to display the person's email address in the same table? [21:48:15] Just to interject briefly: you can also assign properties, without page, using #subobject or #set_internal, though I would recommend having a page per person, in this case. [21:48:22] (without pages, that is) [21:48:24] the semantic concepts in broad strokes work like this: you have pages representing concepts; these can have classes, attributes and/or relations with other concepts [21:48:28] Yaron: ooh that's interesting [21:48:46] Yaron beat me to it [21:49:30] so I could make the person the subojbect and the email address the property [21:49:39] yes [21:49:58] hmm I will have to mull which makes more sense, but I like that you can do that [21:50:07] and since the subobject is created on a page, if you create the subobject on a company page, the person is tied to that company [21:50:35] yes, exactly. So about the other question if I'm making a table about the companies can I still get it to display the email addresses for the people? [21:50:44] This isn't a big deal though as I could just click on the person to get the info [21:50:51] or the company [21:50:59] but it would be nicer to have it included in the table [21:51:51] everything is possible with format=template [21:52:22] :D [21:53:00] meanwhile it's bedtime in Holland [21:53:02] \o [22:15:25] If anyone is still around, I'm looking for a doc that explains how to edit a form, but not having much luck. I created a class, and I want to add a value to the template and therefore the form. Getting an error when I change the template and form by hand. [22:16:11] oh, I haven't tried creating the properly manually [22:20:04] No still haven't done something right [23:34:39] I've got a bit of a mystery [23:34:58] perhaps in trying to explain it to this room, I'll be able to solve it [23:35:08] or one of you might see something I've overlooked [23:36:09] the context begins here http://snpedia.com/index.php/Special:RecentChanges [23:36:37] the first 4 edits on Sept 24th are relate to a page named Rs10490924‎ [23:37:08] as you can see from the diffs, there were no significant content changes. [23:37:35] if you look along the right side of [23:37:37] http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs10490924 [23:38:37] you'll see that at the bottom of the 1st box it says "(T;T) 3.5 8.2x risk for age related macular degeneration" [23:38:50] and the 3.5 has a red background [23:39:10] all of that information is being pulled from http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs10490924(T;T) [23:39:38] my first edit of the day changed that page [23:39:51] before my edit, the red background wasn't being shown [23:40:42] even though the content of the page was unchanged, after the edit of http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs10490924(T;T) and then http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs10490924 [23:40:52] the color now appeared [23:41:08] similar edits to (G;G) and (G;T) were done [23:41:17] but I have not yet re-edited http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs10490924 [23:41:53] I expect when I do so, the correct colors will be shown on that page [23:42:34] so it seems as if the information is not (or very slowly?) propagating [23:43:00] an identical situation is happening at [23:43:02] http://snpedia.com/index.php/Rs1051730 [23:43:26] and its 'child' pages (C;C) (C;T) and (T;T) [23:44:05] I've noticed this much more after my recent migration to MediaWiki 1.20 [23:44:07] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add QUnit support" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45689 [23:44:49] is there something new/different about the propagation of changes that might explain why I'm suddenly finding this affecting so many of my pages? [23:51:45] New review: Mwjames; "Now, smw.org just needs to $wgEnableJavaScriptTest=true;" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45689 [23:51:55] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45689