[00:23:45] New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF\Gallery Fix recursiveTagParse() issue for captionproperty" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44849 [01:02:28] New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 44263) SRF\Gallery Fix recursiveTagParse() issue for captionproperty" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44849 [01:04:42] Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44849 [01:17:53] Frank: are you still having the form issue from before? [10:26:27] New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Fix fatal error caused by undefined method" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45312 [10:47:27] New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\ListResultPrinter (bug 43932) + (bug 44275)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [10:55:08] New review: Mwjames; "And yes, it uses getContext()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [11:04:22] New review: Mwjames; "As for the commit history, I did rename SMW_QP_List.php " [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [11:06:48] New review: Mwjames; "Good catch. Thanks ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45312 [11:06:48] Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45312 [11:07:52] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Fix wmsoverlay support Add extra WMS argument to specify wms style Add unit tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [11:09:53] New review: Mwjames; "I hope we can put this change in a tomb, now." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44609 [11:22:21] New review: Mwjames; "Another thing, while I'm at it. Now that we are using the SMW namespace what is the preferred renami..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44572 [13:29:30] New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix regression introduced with If2dc18cabf (SMW_Exp_Element.php)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [13:53:55] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed check for title and text options" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45324 [13:54:07] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45324 [13:56:25] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ah, my sanity checks found an error :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [13:56:53] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Good catch btw. How did you find this?" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [13:56:54] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [14:06:21] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cannot use serialization on object that can hold closures" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45325 [14:07:21] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixdes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45325 [14:08:52] New review: Mwjames; "By doing plain old manual labour. I did a RDF export which immediately faulted." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [14:10:31] Hey cusion, fancy you showing up! [14:10:39] hey, there [14:10:44] :) [14:11:05] whatcha wanna know about smw? [14:11:10] do you have any examples to show me? [14:11:12] and have you visited smw.org? [14:11:26] yeah, i have it downloaded [14:11:29] sure, look at http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_of_the_Month [14:11:45] Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45325 [14:11:51] I myself run an architecture repository at http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/Main_Page [14:12:05] but before i move to smw, i really want to know more about the differences between smw and mw [14:12:15] smw isn't a difference, it's an addition [14:12:33] something like extension? [14:12:40] exactly like an extension [14:12:57] check out http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/Special:Version [14:13:06] then what could this kind of extension do exactly? [14:13:43] it can enable semantic annotation of wiki articles, and allow for semantic queries (inline, via api, and via special page) [14:14:07] read this: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_Semantic_MediaWiki [14:14:57] i myself think the notation work could be done by only add some more letters to the original wiki text, then what is the advantages of smw? [14:15:42] annotation can be automatic if you use templates [14:16:15] but the annotations should be specified by hand, right? [14:16:32] advantage is always-up-to-date pages; if someone adds or changes a page somewhere in my repository, then all my overviews refresh and reflect the changes [14:16:49] depends on what you mean by "specified" [14:17:01] how could the machine know what kind of annotations should be added to current item? [14:17:41] if a user adds annotation to a template, then any article using the template automatically is annotated [14:18:39] cusion, what kind of problem are you trying to solve with your wiki [14:18:41] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Strict standards: Declaration of Maps\WmsOverlay::getJSONObject() should be compatible with Maps\Bas..." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [14:20:40] now here is my understanding, annotations linked to particular items are added by hand, and what the smw does, is automatically analysing the internal citation or references, and then updates them, am i right? [14:21:29] you are right, although far from complete [14:22:16] SMW can be used to maintain and exploit information models [14:22:26] that's a tad more than "internal citation" [14:22:54] Saruman: I am trying to studying the semantic-web, at the beginning i was trying to build a repository and the semantic network, but when i came across smw, i am now thinking moving to it [14:23:29] SMW is a quite mature application, as far as semantics go [14:23:38] but the learning curve can be a bit steep [14:23:48] cusion, what kind of problem are you trying to solve with your wiki [14:24:59] uhh, to tell the truth, i am not quiet sure yet, it's just a notion in my mind [14:25:31] ok [14:25:49] but wrapping your head around semantics is a bit complicated without an example that you can relate to [14:26:11] I've created a wiki for my CD collection that I semantified [14:27:17] according to what you have experienced, what do you think about the complexity of building knowledge repository and then building a semantic network compared with using smw? [14:28:16] if you want semantics, smw is the way to go [14:28:55] ok, thank you, i am gonna look into what you gave just now [14:28:58] and an SMW wiki is actually a knowledge repository in its own right [14:29:19] and it can also be connected to other semantic applications with a number of protocols/api's [14:29:27] (no personal experience with that though) [14:31:01] that's cool [14:32:44] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "wtf, how did that manage to pass the tests then?!" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45255 [14:41:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Looks good in general. One error though. Please also pay a bit more attention to the style conventio..." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [14:42:10] New review: Mwjames; "Well for the concept script their was no test, I stumbled onto it by doing manual labour." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45255 [14:42:11] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix min mw version" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45326 [14:42:19] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45326 [14:43:04] Saruman: could we just add a semantic extension to already existed local mediawiki instead of installing smw all from scratch? [14:44:08] cusion: yes. [14:44:24] again, smw is "just" an extension [14:44:37] gotcha [14:45:14] you can even install it and not use it [14:47:05] uhh, that's not my style, i am not used with extras [14:48:28] I'd advise you to install the following set of extensions together with smw: ParserFunctions, Variables and Semantic Forms [14:52:19] as you mention to this, i always run into situations where i do not know the dependencies among extensions, where can i get to know this? [14:53:39] There aren't many "hard" dependencies. Each extension should record in its installation documentatino if it requires other extensions, but really usually there are no dependencies [14:54:05] SMW itself, however, is a dependency for a whole class of semantic extensions [14:54:32] these are found at http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:SMW_extensions [14:54:54] OK, Thanks, do you have any more advices for my latter using of smw [14:56:52] start small [14:56:58] annotate very few things [14:57:11] another advice: start small, really! [14:57:46] yeah, i've learnt it with the experience of using mw [14:57:48] if you're into knowledge management: create a formal information model for the knowledge domain [14:58:13] think carefully about classes, as they are very powerful tools in semantics [14:58:43] you mean like formal languages in logic? [14:58:44] smw treats categories as classes, so create a category for each class of information [14:59:05] not necessarily; my information model is drawn in Visio [14:59:13] gotcha [14:59:28] but I mean: write down what you're recording in your knowledge management systen, instead of just annotating on the fly [14:59:48] (although you actually can find your information model empirically that way) [15:00:15] my model: http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/OIAm_decomposition_and_modeling#Information_Model [15:01:47] thank you, i will keep that in mind [15:01:53] New patchset: Mwjames; "PropertyStatisticsTable avoid null entries / undefined offset notice" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45176 [15:07:30] New review: Mwjames; "Just nicified the if/else but while testing I recognized (which has nothing to do with this change) ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45176 [15:10:09] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45176 [15:23:11] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Fix support for WMS overlays. Add extra WMS argument to specify wms style Add unit tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [15:29:56] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Fix support for WMS overlays." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [15:46:31] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "bug 44224: temporary fix for openlayers service" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45331 [15:46:45] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45331 [16:00:43] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "All the tests pass now btw" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [16:23:36] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Fix support for WMS overlays." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [16:31:34] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "There are still some { on the wrong line :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [16:32:22] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45314 [19:30:20] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Autocenter on Polygons and other shapes." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36700 [19:42:38] I have some data I am collecting in a form with a "multiple" template. Collecting it this way is working well. [19:44:05] I'm wondering if I can collect it like this, but then get all the data in a single template and use #arraymap to display it, so I can display a list all on one line. [19:45:04] I'm thinking that this is not possible, but I figured I'd let the experts tell me if that was true. [20:11:07] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Reapply adding metadata to geoShapes, with bugfix" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [20:35:46] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Original comments have not been addressed" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36700 [20:42:37] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "This looks a lot better now :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [20:45:30] New review: Nischayn22; "You missed one big thing, wait for the next patchset" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [20:47:52] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Handling of shapes in Semantic Maps." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [20:49:50] Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "This was too much dependent on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38696/.. so I have included it in ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36710 [21:04:12] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Concerns from previous PS not addressed yet" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [21:35:44] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Guess I'm to used to working with code that has full coverage :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45321 [21:58:42] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Nicification of export code [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45373 [23:08:58] would one have to install smw+ one package at a time for osx? Anyone ever try that, or have any thoughts about what doing so would be like? [23:28:13] sharris595: the smw in smw+ is out of date