[02:05:50] * Havvy wishes we had a better syntax... [02:05:52] {{#if: {{{alliance|}}}|[[Alliance::{{{alliance}}}|{{#ask:[[Category:Alliance]] [[Acronym::{{{alliance}}}]]}}]]|None}} [02:30:35] Havvy - that syntax could be made quite a bit less weird. [02:31:47] It's made a bit less weird with this: {{#if: {{{alliance|}}}|[[Alliance::{{#ask:[[Category:Alliance]] [[Acronym::{{{alliance}}}]]}}]]|None}} [02:32:37] Is there a simpler syntax that I'm missing? [02:46:57] Oh - that [02:47:02] 's rather different. [08:17:23] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticSignup] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34088 [09:28:34] New patchset: Siebrand; "Use SpecialPageFactory::getPage" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42922 [09:29:47] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42922 [10:56:50] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42756 [11:08:00] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix extension name in doc file" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42926 [11:09:04] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42926 [11:51:19] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Moved ParameterInput from Validator and made various fixes to make it work with latest Validator" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42929 [11:51:48] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added temporary fix to ParamDefinition::getAllowedValues and removed ParameterInput" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42930 [11:52:12] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42929 [11:52:21] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42930 [12:07:19] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Autocenter on Polygons and other shapes." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36700 [12:10:55] New review: Nischayn22; "I have not tested this as my wiki isn't very stable right now... please be patient if reviewing" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36700 [12:16:36] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Draw polygon from $cur_data" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38734 [12:19:23] New review: Nischayn22; "Not sure why this one has a dependency..seems independent to me" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38734 [12:26:22] New review: Nischayn22; "If they are in different arrays its easy to identify them with their keys.. we may need to different..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [12:34:45] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Reapply adding metadata to geoShapes, with bugfix" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [12:36:24] New review: Nischayn22; "Rebased; not tested with the latest code" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [13:42:35] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Update ValueParsers\ResultObject to ValueParsers\Result" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42947 [17:35:15] I'm somewhat confused by SMW and Familywiki. [17:35:29] At first I thought each were products in-and-of themselves, but now I've realized that SMW is something you install to augment an existing MW installation. [17:35:42] Familywiki, a genealogy-centric SMW, is described in such a way as to think one might be able to download a copy of that as well, but it seems to not even be as cohesive as SMW. [17:36:13] inanutshellus: what is this Familywiki of which you speak? [17:36:37] It seems if I want to host my own genalogy-centric SMW, instead of "downloading familywiki" I'd download Mediawiki, download SMW, download "Semantic Forms" and "Semantic Drilldown", download "other" extensions (somehow figuring out what those extensions are)... [17:36:44] http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Familypedia [17:36:48] http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Family_History_and_Genealogy_Wiki [17:36:55] Oh - Familypedia. [17:37:06] oh, yeah, sorry. :) [17:37:22] Well, SMW is software, and Familypedia is a website that uses that software. [17:37:50] With their own secret-sauce style implementation I can't recreate? [17:38:09] I doubt it. [17:38:49] Well, it would be hard to recreate fully - it's on Wikia, which uses some proprietary software; though not for the SMW-related stuff. [17:39:07] I think you might not be fully appreciating the difference between software and content, though. [17:40:25] I guess I don't know enough at this point to know is this: if I install "Semantic Forms" and "Semantic Drilldown" can I get things like the generated family tree views and relationship views that familypedia has? [17:41:25] It just seems like a genealogy-based SMW would already have enough demand that there'd be a section saying "Want to make your own? download these 6 things and go!" [17:41:54] To answer your question, yes. [17:41:56] rather than them saying "we use some extensions to SMW. Enjoy!" [17:42:27] I don't know... if you read a popular blog, does it contain instructions on how to start your own blog? [17:43:11] maybe I'm just not doing the right searches to find it. [17:43:46] most things i'm finding are "golly this Familypedia thing is great. here's how to upload your stuff" rather than "here's how to recreate their cool thing on your own box" [17:46:01] Do books come with instructions on how to write your own book? [17:46:10] well, if i wanted to host my own blog, yes, obviously it's very well documented how to host your own blog :P [17:46:58] https://www.google.com/search?q=host%20your%20own%20blog <— useful results [17:47:19] https://www.google.com/search?q=host%20your%20own%20blog <— useless results [17:47:38] Well, there are equivalent instructions for SMW, but they're not connected to Familypedia. [17:48:19] But that's not the question. I've garnered that Familypedia is comprised of SMW, Semantic Forms, Semantic Drilldown, "and other extensions" [17:49:03] but do those 3 extensions of MW create pages like this? http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pieter_Aangeenbrug_(1834-1908)/tree [17:49:16] I assume not. Ergo, the question. [17:52:09] No - actually, I think that part isn't using SMW at all. [17:53:46] Is there a page that you can pull up on a given mediawiki installation to see what extensions it has? [17:54:09] Yes - Special:Version. [17:55:30] Hot dog [21:16:45] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Having multiple arrays is not needed. You can differentiate by the type of element while looping ove..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38696 [21:17:32] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cherry-pick it onto master then?" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38734 [21:18:58] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42947 [21:34:03] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fixed bug 43624 with solution by Brian McCloskey" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43026 [21:34:21] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43026 [22:15:56] howdy [22:33:02] Trying to get an {{#ask: }} written that returns an unformatted URL so I can manually insert it inside [ ] [22:33:14] Any tips would be appreciated. I forgot how to do it. [22:33:27] I am querying a URL property, not a page property. [22:33:49] Adding "|link=none" to the query might work. [22:34:53] didn't quite work as it has a prefix [22:35:10] [[:Property:Documentation URL|Documentation URL]] [22:35:23] How might I get rid of that too? [22:35:29] and hello :) [22:35:52] What do you mean by a prefix? [22:36:08] That text I pasted is appearing in the output. [22:36:20] before the link, which still appears hyperlinked. [22:36:30] Oh - well, that's really the issue, then. [22:36:34] http://wiki.zenoss.org/index.php?title=Template:Doc&action=edit [22:36:38] This is the template. [22:36:42] Ah, even better. [22:37:14] the {{{link}} argument is really mis-named. It is supposed to be a summary title instead of the official title. [22:37:33] and should be optional. Otherwise the official title is supposed to be used. [22:39:31] You should use #show here, instead of #ask, since you just want one value. [22:39:50] yaron: can I use #show to get a property from a semantic internal object? [22:39:54] It'll save you from having to add "headers=hide". [22:40:02] Yeah, definitely. [22:40:05] oh, ok [22:40:09] even based on a property query? [22:40:32] I thought {{#show}} had to be in PAGE | ?Property format. [22:41:14] How might I show a page's prop2 with a prop1 of "foo". [22:41:15] Oh... yeah, I guess that's true. Never mind. [22:41:19] :( [22:41:31] would be a good enhancement to #show. I need that all the time. [22:41:34] Well, you need to add "headers=hide", then. [22:41:40] ok [22:42:16] yaron: works wonderfully, thanks [22:45:12] Cool!