[00:03:14] <Guest32313>	 oh, sorry
[00:03:53] <Guest32313>	 I've just been banging my head against the install and stumbled across this room while looking for helpo
[00:03:56] <Guest32313>	 *help
[00:04:10] <Guest32313>	 is this the right place to ask for what I assume to be super basic advice?
[00:14:42] <Guest32313>	 Hi Milossh
[00:14:55] <Guest32313>	 are you new to semantic mediawiki as well?
[00:19:16] <Guest32313>	 Hi yaron - are you a semantic mediawiki user?
[00:20:45] <yaron>	 Guest32313: yes, definitely, I use it.
[00:22:04] <Guest32313>	 oh cool! I'm trying to install it
[00:22:23] <Guest32313>	 I was having a lot of trouble, which is why I dropped in, but just figured something out and might be on a good track
[00:22:28] <Guest32313>	 what do you use it for?
[00:22:48] <yaron>	 Okay, cool.
[00:23:08] <yaron>	 I run a few SMW-based sites, including http://discoursedb.org .
[00:24:02] <Guest32313>	 awesome!
[00:24:35] <Guest32313>	 My father is a reporter for the associated press
[00:24:45] <Guest32313>	 so i'm a big fan of journalism
[00:25:02] <yaron>	 Oh, neat.
[00:26:03] <yaron>	 Yeah, I find that whole world fascinating.
[00:27:30] <Guest32313>	 how do you use the semantic elements of SMW for the site?
[00:27:43] <Guest32313>	 Basically, what's your favorite part about the technology :)
[00:32:10] <yaron>	 Guest32313: that site uses forms, queries, and drilldown - basically, SMW for everything.
[00:32:35] <yaron>	 I like all the parts, I guess. :)
[00:33:00] <Guest32313>	 cool - I'm most excited to be able to do really complex SPARQL queries on my information
[00:33:16] <yaron>	 Oh - are you running an RDF triplestore?
[00:33:47] <Guest32313>	 Hopefully? I'm assuming the functionality will be similar to what's in http://enipedia.tudelft.nl/wiki/Main_Page, which was my inspiration
[00:34:26] <yaron>	 Okay - they have a triplestore, from what I remember...
[00:34:41] <yaron>	 But to run SPARQL queries, you have to have a triplestore set up.
[00:36:05] <Guest32313>	 Oh yikes - I hope that this hasn't all been for nothing
[00:36:15] <Guest32313>	 I'm getting close to the end of my install, so I'll know soon
[00:36:41] <Guest32313>	 I'm also browsing through your site - I love it! The collections of articles for and against a topic is fantastic
[00:37:21] <yaron>	 Cool - I don't know how many people use it as an actual resource, if anyone, but it's still fun to maintain regardless.
[00:41:39] <Guest32313>	 Do you have a vision of what sort of person would use it?
[00:41:46] <Guest32313>	 like, college students or something?
[00:42:49] <yaron>	 Guest32313: anyone, really. I mean, lots of people are interested in politics and government.
[00:43:16] <Guest32313>	 definitely
[00:47:31] <Guest32313>	 Hmm, you were right about it not having a built-in triplestore, though it supports the addition of a connection
[00:47:51] <Guest32313>	 I'm not sure if I can get that to work, though - it looks like the instructions are vague
[00:56:06] <Guest32313>	 Grr, I can't even find a good triplestore that I'll be able to install on WIndows
[01:00:52] <Guest32313>	 oh, got one! Virtuoso, if you're interested
[01:02:47] <yaron>	 Cool - yeah, I've definitely heard of that one.
[01:10:11] <Guest32313>	 do you know of any other ways to make a semantic database that I can query?
[01:10:39] <Guest32313>	 that's all I really want, I just thought that the SMW would be the most user-friendly route
[01:22:56] <Guest32313>	 Bah, I give up - Virtuoso mixed up their links, so there doesn't appear to be an actual way to access the .exe for windows
[01:33:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39863
[01:34:00] <yaron>	 Guest32313: SMW has its own built-in, non-SPARQL way of querying its data.
[01:34:38] <yaron>	 So it depends on what you mean by a "semantic database".
[01:36:37] <Guest32313>	 yeah - what I really want is recursive attributes
[01:37:27] <Guest32313>	 so that I can say "is_a X, or is_a Y which is_a X, or is_a Z which is_a Y which is_a X, [etc"
[01:37:43] <Guest32313>	 do you think that SMW's engine can handle that?>
[01:48:02] <Guest32313>	 I've got to go, but it was nice meeting you!
[13:30:18] <Nikerabbit>	 ugga
[13:47:27] <Saruman>	 if you say so...
[16:01:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix typo." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40087
[16:02:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40087
[16:09:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Substitute available message instead of "Edit"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40089
[16:09:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40089
[18:21:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added Greek translations, by Protnet" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40093
[18:28:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40093
[23:02:53] <walter_>	 Is it possible to create multiple pages with SF at once?