[00:56:05] Hi! I need some help with Semantic Maps: how do I make a query that results in clickeable dotpoint (that should link to wiki articles)? [02:28:42] Yaco: in my experience, that part is currently broken with the currently-released mediawiki [02:28:59] Yaco: something in the latest mediawiki security patches broke it [02:29:16] Yaco: to see what *should* work, go to http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Usermap [02:30:06] Yaron: I think I found the pattern for ApprovedRevs not showing the approved link. It ssems that any revision with a *comment* does not have the approve link. [02:30:17] bummer, he's not here :( [02:31:43] Yaco: pop-ups were working with 1.19.1 and 2, but when I applied the 1.19.3 security patches, they stopped working. [09:38:08] New patchset: MathiasLidal; "(bug 42714) Infowindow not showing after clicking on the marker" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38290 [10:56:06] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "(bug 42714) Infowindow not showing after clicking on the marker" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38290 [10:57:10] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Great, thanks for your patch." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38290 [10:57:10] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38290 [10:59:45] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "bump to 2.0.1 rc1" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38298 [12:02:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "bump to 2.0.1 rc1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38305 [12:02:24] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38298 [12:02:33] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38305 [14:24:02] can I define a variable in an article which can be used by different functions? such as a date [14:27:11] I have a problem with subojects [14:27:31] usually with a pipe | I can add multiple values to a property [14:28:01] but now the subobjects thinks the pipe is part of the String [14:32:04] ah I have forgotten a pipe template [14:34:45] no I havent... mh [14:37:03] I guess the pipe trick doesnt work here at all [14:46:22] is there like a enumeration to list all values stored in a property? [14:55:39] Domerich: you could use "format=tagcloud". [14:59:55] thanks I just got that idea myself :) [15:01:10] I just wonder how I can make it look like real cloud. dont understand the javascript talk [15:09:39] do I have to install the sphere widget or how does this work? [15:13:23] mh it wont show no sphere :( [15:13:34] No, you just have to use the correct format. [15:13:52] ...and switch to SMW 1.8 and SRF 1.8, if you're not using those already. [15:14:07] I forgot what the new format name is, but it's only in SRF 1.8. [15:15:51] apparently I have Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.9 alpha) installed [15:16:30] it shows the stuff without the sphere but with it, no [15:54:25] are there style options available in SMW? Like counting the text lines [15:54:53] I would like to present an interview between two people [15:56:55] Domerich: I don't really understand the question, but there's no way in SMW to count a number of lines. [16:01:05] okay here is my question as to formatting text: is it all done by HTML formatting? or is there special SMW stuff? [16:25:27] I store my interview text in subobjects [16:28:22] everytime a new "topic" is added or leaves I have to create a new subobject http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8370/interviewxu.jpg [16:28:27] is there a better way? [16:31:22] I sure hope so :) [16:32:15] Domerich: to answer your previous question, there's no special SMW formatting. [16:32:42] ok thanks [16:36:39] can I change how "timeline" labels events? I have all events happening in one page so the pagename doesnt make sense [16:37:55] also when I query a Date property, can I make it only show the time? ?has_date |MINUTE SECOND [16:39:29] here is what Im working on http://domerich.funpic.de/wiki/index.php/Test1 [16:39:46] I don't know the answer to either question, but maybe others do. [16:42:06] ok [17:11:18] I have a subobject, one of the values is "topic". can I create a property "subtopic" in that suboject so that SMW knows there is a relationship? [17:27:31] Can anybody see whats wrong with my IF parsing? {{#if:{{{StartParagraph|}}}|^{{{{paragraph|}}}} }} [17:31:55] Domerich: shouldn't it be "StartParagraph" in both places? [17:32:33] mh no [17:32:57] only if startparagraph=true it should show the paragraph number [17:33:09] Alright. [17:33:20] In that case, maybe there's nothing wrong with it. [17:33:33] haha it doesnt work though ;) [17:33:54] maybe its better practice to store both values in paragraph [17:34:19] only now its not showing anything [17:45:48] ah okay I used it wrong [17:46:09] so the if function can do something like this: if: parameter==1|do|dont}} [17:59:10] Does anybody know how to get the tagcloud squere work? [17:59:31] it says something about link type in the docs but I have no idea what it means [18:02:36] Domerich: #if doesn't work like if: parameter==1|do|dont [18:02:51] #if checks only if the provided parameter is empty or not [18:03:56] so {{#if: {{{StartParagraph|}}}|Start is {{{StartParagraph}}}|Warning! No StartParagraph exists}} [18:04:07] thats what I meant to say :) [18:04:27] there's a different function to compare values [18:04:32] I first thought if always only checks for a boolean parameter ^^ [18:04:44] oh, which is it? [18:05:05] {{#ifeq: {{{StartParagraph|}}}|1|It's the first!|Its another one}} [18:05:32] ah the one just below :) [18:05:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions [18:05:41] I will implement that now [18:09:14] seems to work :) [18:11:46] so the tag cloud sphere only work with TYPE:URL [18:12:01] that doesnt make any sense at all [18:13:19] Saruman: Do you think this is best praktice? http://domerich.funpic.de/wiki/index.php/Test1 [18:14:53] I couldn't say.. where's the functional requirements for the website, and the information model that you derived from it [18:15:26] how do you mean? [18:15:37] What I meant is storing text in subobjects like this [18:16:13] to store annotaion data like this http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8370/interviewxu.jpg [18:16:30] visualisation like this is probably impossible though [18:17:09] this is a school project so I have to come up with something ^^ [18:17:30] nothing's impossible, but it really feels like you're trying to bend the wiki into an application, and the more you bend, the more problems you get [18:17:51] it's a wiki, not a text analysis and visualization tool [18:18:24] select the right extensions and do clever stuff with SMW, and you can get a pretty long way, but still... [18:18:52] I guess my job is to bend ^^ [18:19:12] anything in mind extension wise? [18:19:22] not really [18:19:27] cant think of anything except for timeline and tagcloud [18:19:59] so you think the text fracmentation isnt too bad? [18:20:12] I really, really couldn't say [18:20:50] SMW doesn't really care how you carve up your data [18:21:11] but if you carve it up in one way, you can often not get it out of your wiki in another way [18:21:21] or you can't properly get it in [18:22:33] so how you should fragment and annotate your data really depends on how you intend to have the wiki be used; how do users input data, and how do you think your wiki code helps them getting information out of the input data [18:22:53] I haven't the slightest idea -literally!- of what you're trying to achieve [18:23:55] besically a lot of interviews are to be stored. then paragraphes are added information like what the heck they are talking about in that � [18:24:45] now I just have to add a search page that will show me how many paragraphs there are about a certain "topic" [18:26:01] and how many topics can there be in a single paragraph? [18:26:24] in theory infinite, but in practise something like 3 [18:26:48] the problem is that one topic can only relate to half a paragraph [18:26:59] ah that came out wrong [18:27:26] one topic does not necceserily have to hold true for the whole paragraph [18:27:49] well you may want to explicitly model stuff like this [18:27:51] thats why one � is devided in different parts if thats the case. [18:28:02] model how? [18:28:43] depends on what modeling skills you already have [18:28:49] an example is this: http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/OIAm_decomposition_and_modeling#Information_Model [18:28:51] none whatsoever ^^ [18:29:07] then you're caught between a rock and a hard place [18:30:13] that sucks I guess ^^ [18:30:50] you have a mental picture in your head of the information, but it's a complex model so I'd be surprised if you'd not overlook anything [18:31:09] and you seem to have some complex requirements on what to do with the information [18:31:18] that increases the challenges exponentially [18:31:33] lol okay so its hopeless [18:31:46] I have little to no programming skills [18:32:28] not hopeless, but overly ambitious [18:33:20] yeah Im reading that article and feel really stupid ^^ [18:33:35] if you'd lose the timeline, tagcloud and other visualization requirements, and reduce the complexity of the model by -for instance- limiting topics to 1 per paragraph-section, you're much further along [18:33:38] which article? [18:33:57] the one you just gave me [18:34:01] ah, the info model [18:34:17] with only one topic it would be easy I guess [18:34:27] simple search et cetera [18:34:43] well I'm probably slightly older, slightly more educated, and developed that model by making lots of errors that I now flatly deny ever happened :-D [18:34:45] well I hope I get a "B" in the end ^^ [18:35:09] lol [18:35:33] Isn't there some saying like "in die Beschränkung zeigt sich die Meister" or something? [18:36:09] less is more [18:36:24] put in simple simple information, then use that to the maximum [18:38:24] I would say thats right except some Anthropology students over in Frankfurt are supposed to work with my "tool" (yeah I cant see that happen either). And they need to use multiple attributes. [18:38:46] All that timeline stuff will go eventually, Im just playing with everything for now [18:39:54] and the other has to code something in JavaScript that will put information in my "model" [18:40:19] by selecting plain text and then adding that information to it [18:40:31] I know, we are doomed but for now I try [18:40:46] gotta make a good impression in that first presentation ^^ [18:46:25] well you better structure that "multiple attribute" so you can actually use it [18:53:48] mh I don know. Dont you think it kind of works now? I can search for Armut now http://domerich.funpic.de/wiki/index.php/TestSearch [18:58:44] or for Gr��te Weltprobleme :D [18:59:16] that has to be good enough for now altough an enumeration would be nice, maybe even in a dropdown [19:09:47] unfortunatelly the code you gave me the other night didnt work, as the pipe was completely ignored [19:09:54] but it doesnt really matter [19:18:00] my eyes hurt, im out :) thanks yall [23:33:57] yaron Heiya I am just testing the fabulous input type timepicker. I guess the corresponding property must be of type string since date gives me an improper value warning. Do you believe that it might be useful to add time support to type date? I am not sure