[04:07:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[04:18:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[04:26:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pastakhov; "My code now specific to the new SMWSQLStore3." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[15:06:00] <dreamer>	 hmm, I have a property that uses Allows value, but there's no dropdown in the form
[15:06:29] <dreamer>	 any ideas on how to debug this?
[15:43:35] <Yaron>	 dreamer - you wrote about that on the SF talk page?
[15:44:42] <dreamer>	 no
[15:44:49] <dreamer>	 don't see anything about that there either
[15:45:39] <dreamer>	 ah, first one
[15:46:21] <Yaron>	 Oh... strange, I hadn't heard about this problem before, and all of a sudden there are two people experiencing it.
[15:46:24] <dreamer>	 sounds pretty similar
[15:46:30] <Yaron>	 What version of SF are you using?
[15:46:50] <dreamer>	 I started with the property as just string. then I changed it to page and allowed values, but didn't get a dropdown. now I tried to move it to string again, but still no dropdown
[15:47:03] <dreamer>	 2.4
[15:48:14] <Yaron>	 Wait - so that wasn't you on the SF talk page?
[15:48:26] <dreamer>	 no
[15:48:27] <Yaron>	 That was the exact same thing that person did.
[15:48:33] <Yaron>	 Alright - weird.
[15:48:36] <dreamer>	 yeah indeed, I read it
[15:48:39] <Yaron>	 Oh yeah, you have a different SF version.
[15:48:52] <dreamer>	 well, I think that person started with allowed values that worked, then moved to type page and it broke
[15:49:01] <Yaron>	 Right - not exactly the same thing.
[15:49:05] <dreamer>	 I never had a working dropdown for this ever I think (started with page, which didn't work)
[15:49:39] <Yaron>	 Can you pastebin your property page?
[15:49:49] <dreamer>	 I could also link to it :P
[15:49:52] <Yaron>	 Ah!
[15:50:04] <dreamer>	 http://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php?title=Property:PapercutGroup&action=edit
[15:50:07] <dreamer>	 but it should be fine
[15:50:16] <dreamer>	 I have other similar properties that do work (in the same form even)
[15:50:39] <Yaron>	 What's the form?
[15:50:42] <dreamer>	 but maybe it doesn't work for type::Page and now it b0rked somehow?
[15:50:50] <dreamer>	 http://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php?title=Form:Papercut&action=edit
[15:51:20] <dreamer>	 PapercutStatus and PapercutType in the same form do work
[15:52:36] <Yaron>	 Okay - in your case, it's just because SF can't figure out that the property and the form field are connected.
[15:52:45] <Yaron>	 That's because you have the extra syntax in the template.
[15:53:03] <Yaron>	 That's fine, though; all you need to do is add "|property=..." to the field tag in the form definition.
[15:53:21] <Yaron>	 "|property=PapercutGroup", that is.
[15:53:48] <dreamer>	 oh, hmm
[15:54:01] <dreamer>	 odd that it works for the other properties then though ..
[15:54:12] <Yaron>	 Well, they're more straightforward in the template.
[15:54:21] <dreamer>	 and, this doesn't fix it
[15:54:45] <Yaron>	 You have to leave in the field name - you need both.
[15:54:51] <dreamer>	 ah, ok .. weird
[15:54:53] <Yaron>	 (Debugging public wikis is so much easier. :) )
[15:55:07] <dreamer>	 hehe
[15:55:19] <dreamer>	 I really don't get this. why are the other properties more straightforward?
[15:55:33] <Yaron>	 Check out the Template:PapercutGroup page.
[15:56:00] <dreamer>	 there is none
[15:56:09] <Yaron>	 I mean, Template:Papercut.
[15:56:35] <dreamer>	 ah, hmm. wth? did I do that?
[15:56:39] <Yaron>	 :)
[15:57:12] <dreamer>	 ah wait .. now I remember. I wanted to eventually see if I could 'sync' the property with which groups I had available
[15:57:18] <dreamer>	 but haven't started implementing the thing yet
[15:57:28] <Yaron>	 By the way, I'm surprised that that syntax works - assuming it does what it's supposed to.
[15:57:29] <dreamer>	 oh wait, that's what the link will be
[15:57:32] <dreamer>	 yes, I remember
[15:57:46] <dreamer>	 lemme check, no idea if it works ..
[15:58:01] <dreamer>	 nope, it doesn't :P
[15:59:04] <dreamer>	 so, basically I want to append the result with 'Subgroups/' in the link
[15:59:18] <dreamer>	 (because that's what they have as a prefix)
[15:59:27] <dreamer>	 (but it looks ugly in the form)
[15:59:39] <Yaron>	 Well, the easiest way to do it is to separate the display and the storing of data.
[15:59:53] <Yaron>	 You can easily store the value, without displaying it, using #set.
[16:00:48] <dreamer>	 but, does that work in allows value?
[16:01:38] <Yaron>	 I don't know what you mean.
[16:02:04] <dreamer>	 ok, I guess I don't know what you mean either :P
[16:02:23] <dreamer>	 basically I just want the template to link to SubGroups/{{{value}}}
[16:03:12] <Yaron>	 Right... so do you want the property value to also include "SubGroups"?
[16:03:51] <Yaron>	 I guess not, since it's not part of the allowed values.
[16:04:07] <dreamer>	 the property value doesn't need to include it
[16:04:17] <dreamer>	 and indeed, that's what I meant with allowed values
[16:04:19] <Yaron>	 So just have a normal link, and then put in a #set call right alongside it, to do the data storage.
[16:06:31] * dreamer  confused

[16:07:47] <Yaron>	 Do "[[SubGroups/{{{value}}}]] {{#set:property-name={{{value}}} }}".
[16:08:47] <dreamer>	 where {{{value}}} == PapercutGroup::{{{PapercutGroup|}}} ?
[16:10:16] <Yaron>	 No - {{{value}}} is {{{PapercutGroup|}}}.
[16:10:22] <dreamer>	 oh, hmm
[16:10:23] * dreamer  test

[16:11:53] <dreamer>	 cool :)
[16:12:11] * dreamer  check if he can make it work in the table-template too

[16:12:20] <dreamer>	 Yaron: still trying to wrap my head around it :)
[16:12:58] <Yaron>	 Well, for what it's worth, it's not as complex as the syntax you had before. :)
[16:13:19] <dreamer>	 hehehe
[16:13:44] <dreamer>	 I now have: [[SubGroups/{{{PapercutGroup|}}}|{{{PapercutGroup|}}}]] {{#set:property-name={{{PapercutGroup|}}} }}
[16:13:58] <dreamer>	 so you don't see the prefix in the template ;)
[16:15:45] <dreamer>	 hmm, can't get the value to show up in the table
[16:15:52] <Yaron>	 I hope you don't actually have the literal string "property-name" in there...
[16:15:58] <dreamer>	 :#
[16:16:12] <Yaron>	 Oh, you probably do.
[16:16:21] <dreamer>	 yeah, because I'm an idiot
[16:16:41] <Yaron>	 Well, it was a lot to take in at one time.
[16:16:52] <dreamer>	 I'm sick at home too. head all clobbed up
[16:16:52] <Yaron>	 It should be... "PapercutGroup", I guess.
[16:17:08] <dreamer>	 yeah, figured
[16:17:11] <Yaron>	 Ah! That's too bad.
[16:18:31] <dreamer>	 ok, page-template now works great :)
[16:18:52] <dreamer>	 (will probably do an #if: around it to hide the line if empty)
[16:19:04] <dreamer>	 however .. still not getting the value in my table template
[16:19:07] * dreamer  pokes some more

[16:25:39] <dreamer>	 F-it, I'll leave it without link
[16:27:01] <dreamer>	 getting a bit messy already -_-
[16:34:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "I have not looked at the specific code, but I imagine that one could well integrate this information..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[17:43:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "Its not a requested feature, I did it for fun. Not sure how to do it for all stores yet, for Store3 ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[17:44:27] <nostriluu>	 i have pages that include SIO. the pages want to include a value based on stored SIOs, but they're not available via query until after the page is saved. so the page has to be saved twice. is there a way around this?
[17:44:58] <Saruman>	 nostriluu: save, then use the refresh tab
[17:45:19] <nostriluu>	 Saruman, yes, but that's not very nice, i can't really ask end users to do that
[17:51:11] <nostriluu>	 you have to admit it's a bit weird. would be nice to have a solution
[19:05:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of SMW_setup.php, attempt to fix bug 42349" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35417
[22:20:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Toniher; "finish Es" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35572
[22:54:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Toniher; "correction namespaces in Es" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35576
[22:54:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Toniher; "Adding Ca Lang" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35577