[07:14:57] <toniher>	 kghbln pong
[10:29:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Thanks for looking into this. To make this a success, you should first familiarize yourself a bit wi..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[10:33:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[10:35:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[14:08:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "DRAFT:Display property counts in property pages." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[14:10:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "This will fail for other stores, not to be merged, but rfc" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[14:18:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pastakhov; "I try to go from the back." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[15:11:32] <Rinkel>	 I feel stupid. Working so long with mediawiki. And still i dont know how i can connect a form field with a property
[15:18:47] <Saruman>	 Rinkel: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#.27field.27_tag
[15:18:53] <Saruman>	 input type=propertyname
[15:19:23] <Saruman>	 oh wait that's not right
[15:19:30] <Rinkel>	 Is more like. the have to make in the template something like:
[15:19:45] <Saruman>	 property=property name
[15:19:46] <Rinkel>	 [[propertyname::{{{name}}}]]
[15:19:57] <Saruman>	 not necessarily.
[15:20:38] <Saruman>	 if the form has field {{{blaat}}} you cna just specify blaat as a field in SF
[15:20:49] <Saruman>	 doesn't even need to be semantic
[15:20:57] <Saruman>	 there are people that use SF without using SMW
[15:21:46] <Rinkel>	 But i want to store information in the property so i can show it in the template.
[15:22:23] <Saruman>	 in the template, think up a name for a field, and annotate it somewhere in the template anywhere you want
[15:22:35] <Saruman>	 indeed  [[propertyname::{{{name}}}]]
[15:22:54] <Saruman>	 then in the form, create {{{name}}} as an input field
[15:23:53] <Rinkel>	 So have always to make this [[propertyname::{{{name}}}]] connection
[15:23:54] <Saruman>	 if you'd like examples, check out http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar/index.php/Special:Forms
[15:24:17] <Saruman>	 only if you want the content of {{{name}}} annotated as <propertyname>
[15:24:29] <Saruman>	 plus, you could use the #set function instead of [[ :: ]]
[15:24:45] <Rinkel>	 Okeeh.
[15:25:06] <Rinkel>	 That #set sounds interresting.
[15:25:22] <Rinkel>	 {{ #if:[[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube|}}}]] | {{#widget:{{{Youtube}}} }} }}
[15:25:32] <Rinkel>	 i gonna test this one now.
[15:26:14] <Rinkel>	 Oh, found a mistake :D
[15:26:46] <Saruman>	 strange #if condition
[15:27:20] <Saruman>	 I'd expect {{#if: {{{Youtube|}}} | [[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}]]{{#widget:{{{Youtube}}} }} }}
[15:27:48] <Rinkel>	 Is with youtube is the property name.
[15:28:06] <Rinkel>	 I call all properties " is with blaat"
[15:28:07] <Saruman>	 can't put that in the if
[15:28:18] <Rinkel>	 So i have to use the #set
[15:28:21] <Saruman>	 sound naming convention
[15:28:42] <Saruman>	 i think you're mixing up a few things
[15:29:08] <Rinkel>	 happens a lot with wiki code :p
[15:29:33] <Saruman>	 #if: should only check if some string exists, e.g. if a field was entered
[15:29:50] <Saruman>	 you shouln't attempt to annotate anything in the #if condition
[15:30:24] <Saruman>	 annotation (silent or otherwise) should happen on the right side of the first |
[15:30:57] <Rinkel>	 So i can do #set [[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}]] on the start of the template and do the if simple
[15:31:38] <Saruman>	 you could, but it makes no sense
[15:31:57] <Saruman>	 if there's no content in {{{Youtube}}} you cannot set it anyhow
[15:32:11] <Rinkel>	 Even Nederlands ?
[15:32:28] <Saruman>	 als de field {{{Youtube}}} leeg is, wat wil je dan setten of annoteren?
[15:32:52] <Saruman>	 je checkt met #if  of er een veld is meegegeven; zo ja, dan annoteer je (silent of expliciet) en toont de widget
[15:33:06] <Saruman>	 {{#if: {{{Youtube|}}} | [[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}]]{{#widget:{{{Youtube}}} }} }}
[15:35:34] <Rinkel>	 {#if: {{{Youtube|}}} | [[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}]] {{#widget:YouTube|id={{{Youtube}}} }} }}
[15:36:06] <Saruman>	 looks sane
[15:36:54] <Rinkel>	 It works. But for 1 thing :p
[15:36:59] <Rinkel>	 <p>h9lO-TO7L7s <iframe width="380" height="355" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/h9lO-TO7L7s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
[15:36:59] <Rinkel>	 </p>
[15:37:21] <Rinkel>	 it echo's also the code before the widget.
[15:44:20] <Saruman>	 it does so because you've instructed it to
[15:45:13] <Saruman>	 if you want to annotate silently, use [[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}|]] (note the pipe) or use {{#set: Is with youtube={{{Youtube}}} }}
[15:50:29] <Rinkel>	 {{#if: {{{Youtube|}}} | {{#set:[[Is with youtube::{{{Youtube}}}]] }} {{#widget:YouTube|id={{{Youtube}}} }} }}
[15:50:33] <Rinkel>	 its working :D
[15:51:30] * Rinkel  doet een dansje met Saruman

[15:51:53] <Saruman>	 Quickstep!
[15:52:29] <Saruman>	 So the content of the Is with youtube property, it's the string h9lO-TO7L7s only?
[15:54:48] <Rinkel>	 Yes. that string is the youtube code. The widget is doing the rest.
[15:55:16] <Saruman>	 then set on page Property:Is with youtube the property type [[has type::string]]
[15:55:33] <Rinkel>	 The users do understand {{#widget:YouTube|id=dQw4w9WgXcQ}}
[15:56:26] <Rinkel>	 The property was the first time i made. I follow a checklist. But normally i show the information directly in a table. But now there was this extra obstacle with the if.
[15:56:33] <Rinkel>	 do = dont
[15:57:07] <Rinkel>	 So i decided to make it more easy that the users can copy paste the youtube code in a form.
[15:57:36] <Rinkel>	 Oyeah. The question you help me with Saruman a couple months ago
[15:57:37] <Rinkel>	 http://brightwork.webfactional.com/wateralliance/Main_Page
[15:57:47] <Rinkel>	 I have the semantic stuff in the sidebar.
[15:58:09] <Saruman>	 great
[15:58:29] <Saruman>	 so what was the problem?
[15:59:03] <Rinkel>	 Not really a problem . More a *beperking*
[15:59:18] <Saruman>	 ok, what was the limitation?
[15:59:36] <Rinkel>	 Sidebar has it own code.
[15:59:53] <Rinkel>	 function ShowWikiPage($input) {
[15:59:53] <Rinkel>	         global $wgUser, $wgTitle, $wgParser;
[15:59:53] <Rinkel>	         if ( is_object( $wgParser ) ) $psr =& $wgParser; else $psr = new Parser;
[15:59:54] <Rinkel>	         $opt = ParserOptions::newFromUser( $wgUser );
[15:59:56] <Rinkel>	         $nav = new Article( Title::newFromText( $input, NS_MEDIAWIKI ) );
[15:59:58] <Rinkel>	         $out = $psr->parse( $nav->fetchContent( 0, false, false ), $wgTitle, $opt, true, true );
[16:00:00] <Rinkel>	         echo $out->getText() ;
[16:00:03] <Rinkel>	         return;
[16:00:04] <Rinkel>	 }
[16:00:08] <Rinkel>	 So its now done with a hook.
[16:00:18] <Saruman>	 ah...
[16:00:25] * Saruman  is out of his depth there

[16:00:37] <Saruman>	 I only do wizardry, not PHP
[16:01:26] <Rinkel>	 The code is showing a wiki page on a certaint point
[16:01:43] <Rinkel>	 In mediawiki you have hooks.
[16:02:12] <Rinkel>	 the hook is calling code on a centain point. Like after a edit field etc etc
[16:03:21] <Rinkel>	 But my carpooler is pushing his horn.
[16:03:39] * Rinkel  is waving goodbye

[18:14:39] <drobbins>	 howdy
[18:15:46] <drobbins>	 I have this on a page: {{#ifeq:{{#var:flavor|free}}{{#var:hascore3release|no}}{{#var:hascore4release|no}}|freeyesno|bingo|bongo}}
[18:16:02] <drobbins>	 even on pages where the output is clearly "freeyesno", it is saying "bongo" all the time.
[18:16:36] <drobbins>	 I even surrounded output by x's, no whitespace or other weirdness, but I can't get "freeyesno" appearing to match my ifeq.
[18:16:39] <drobbins>	 always says bongo
[18:19:43] <Saruman>	 drobbins: as a debug output, try M{{#var:flavor|free}}{{#var:hascore3release|no}}{{#var:hascore4release|no}}M  above the #ifeq statement
[18:19:53] <Saruman>	 the M's are to show the beginning and end of the debug string
[18:20:41] <Saruman>	 oh wait: what do you mean with {{#var:flavor|free}}
[18:20:46] <Saruman>	 what does the |free do
[18:21:01] <Saruman>	 #var: is not the same as a field name
[18:21:44] <Saruman>	 you can't expect {{#var:flavor|free}} to produce "free" if #var:flavor is empty
[18:22:21] <drobbins>	 Saruman: ah
[18:22:29] * drobbins  looks

[18:22:53] <drobbins>	 actually, that is supported
[18:23:17] <drobbins>	 surrounded by x's, no whitespace.
[18:23:38] <drobbins>	 trying to figure it out, let's see
[18:35:25] <Saruman>	 drobbins: you're right, |defaultvalue works - funny, you learn something every day
[18:36:38] <drobbins>	 Saruman: not sure why it was failing, but by removing the hascore3release var, I got it to work.
[18:36:44] <drobbins>	 Saruman: so problem "solved"
[18:41:48] <Saruman>	 drobbins: how about, outside the #ifeq, do {{#vardefine:bingocheck|{{#var:flavor|free}}{{#var:hascore3release|no}}{{#var:hascore4release|no}}}}
[18:42:18] <Saruman>	 and then  {{#ifeq:{{#var:bingocheck|freeyesno}}|freeyesno|bingo|bongo}}
[18:42:36] <Saruman>	 oh, don't even need the first freeyesno there
[18:43:18] <Saruman>	 so  {{#ifeq:{{#var:bingocheck}}|freeyesno|bingo|bongo}}
[18:45:05] <drobbins>	 Saruman: that may help
[19:34:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kghbln; "Translation update by SMW community" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35200
[19:40:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35200
[19:51:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kghbln; "Amended two system messages" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35202
[20:07:54] <kghbln>	 JeroenDeDauw You seem to have you eyes everythere. ;) Thank you!
[20:08:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 kghbln: not sure what you're talking about, but ok :)
[20:09:44] <kghbln>	 JeroenDeDauw I was talking about my latest tiny changes to semantic extensions :)
[20:19:00] <Saruman>	 kghbln: u got mail
[20:21:26] <kghbln>	 Saruman Great. Will move it in for you now:)
[20:21:31] <Saruman>	 :-)
[20:37:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kghbln; "Translation update by SMW community" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35272
[20:52:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35272
[20:53:15] <kghbln>	 JeroenDeDauw :)
[20:53:37] <kghbln>	 As a matter of fact: I could have poked you.