[00:00:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticDrilldown] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33152
[03:35:40] <bonsaikitten>	 so ... asking again ... how the BLEEP does a property "Phone number" get transformed wrongly into a property "Telephone number" during an upgrade from SMW ~1.5 to 1.7 ?
[03:47:55] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: bug?
[03:48:31] <bonsaikitten>	 Yaron: maybe. any idea how I could track it down?
[03:49:12] <bonsaikitten>	 I have no idea *how* that would happen, it doesn't really make sense that just this one property gets renamed
[03:50:09] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: my guess is that the property type called "Phone number" was changed to "Telephone number", and the upgrade overzealously looked for every string in the wiki that matched that.
[03:51:13] <bonsaikitten>	 why ... how ... NO ;) that's really badly wrong
[03:51:39] <bonsaikitten>	 is there an easy way to revert such a change?
[03:53:27] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: just move the page back (if I understand the issue correctly).
[03:53:48] <bonsaikitten>	 Yaron: the problem is that about 2k pages now look for the wrong property
[03:54:05] <bonsaikitten>	 and a dozen templates exploderate because of course the "old" property is now missing
[03:54:17] <Yaron>	 You have 2000 pages where "Telephone number" is hardcoded?
[03:54:45] <bonsaikitten>	 I have about 2k pages that generate/have a phone numer property which is now broken
[03:54:55] <Yaron>	 Via a template?
[03:55:31] <bonsaikitten>	 multiple templates
[03:55:54] <Yaron>	 So - the SMW upgrade changed the string "Phone number" to "Telephone number" in several templates?
[03:56:28] <bonsaikitten>	 I'm not quite sure what it changed, the property name changed, and the templates are referencing the old one
[03:57:04] <Yaron>	 So, as I said, find the page "Property:Telephone number" and move it "Property:Phone number".
[03:57:25] <Yaron>	 (move it to)
[03:58:17] <bonsaikitten>	 that doesn't fix that now the pages generate a wrong property
[03:59:23] <Yaron>	 What do you mean by that?
[03:59:46] <bonsaikitten>	 let me just try to move it
[04:04:38] <bonsaikitten>	 ok, that seems to be half a fix
[04:05:23] <Yaron>	 Great.
[04:05:24] <bonsaikitten>	 now I just have to figure out why I get an error "has improper value" error
[04:05:46] <bonsaikitten>	 also, template parsing seems to be subtly different in 1.7
[04:08:39] <bonsaikitten>	 [193e14f4] 2012-11-13 04:08:22: Fatal exception of type SMWDataItemException <-- ever seen a failure like that? :)
[04:13:06] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: probably, at one point or another... where are you seeing that?
[04:13:42] <bonsaikitten>	 Yaron: upgrade to 1.7.1 broke a mildly complex query in that way
[04:13:54] <bonsaikitten>	 with MW 1.19 it gave a traceback, with 1.20 it only prints this error
[04:14:07] <Yaron>	 Oh, okay - that I don't know.
[04:14:55] <bonsaikitten>	 traceback: http://bpaste.net/show/giRvYxHzbF2FKIhk73ND/
[04:17:46] <Yaron>	 Oh, that's in my code.
[04:19:09] <Yaron>	 It's trying to set a property whose name is just "-", and failing - do you know why that's happening?
[04:19:34] <bonsaikitten>	 no idea, if you need more information just ask, I can also provide the query etc.
[04:19:42] <Yaron>	 I mean, why there's a property called "-".
[04:19:53] <Yaron>	 Yes, the query in the RunQuery template would be helpful.
[04:21:13] <bonsaikitten>	 http://bpaste.net/show/uZ8zePtztJcKWDzHRmBB/
[04:23:09] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: the notation like "?Total amount#-" might be incorrect.
[04:23:23] <Yaron>	 ...and could be the source of the problem.
[04:23:25] <bonsaikitten>	 the - is needed for formatting afair
[04:23:42] <Yaron>	 It might be that "?Total amount=-" is the correct version.
[04:23:57] <bonsaikitten>	 hmm, let me try. It did work as expected with older versions
[04:25:16] <bonsaikitten>	 nope. change to =- still causes the same failure
[04:26:22] <Yaron>	 So when do you see the error? When you run Special:RunQuery?
[04:27:20] <bonsaikitten>	 yes, wiki/index.php/Special:RunQuery/Invoice_query
[04:27:53] <bonsaikitten>	 it's the only one that doesn't work, everything else (modulo things like phone numbers) survived the upgrade
[04:28:59] <Yaron>	 bonsaikitten: for lack of another idea, I would recommend getting rid of all the "#-" and "=-" and seeing if that fixes the problem.
[04:29:27] <bonsaikitten>	 Yaron: I can try, but that might mess up formatting badly
[04:29:41] <Yaron>	 Well, you can always undo.
[04:29:43] <bonsaikitten>	 I remember having to add it in places
[04:29:54] <bonsaikitten>	 of course, and this is just a testing install to prepare for migration
[04:32:32] <bonsaikitten>	 Yaron: ... no, that doesn't fix it either
[04:33:07] <bonsaikitten>	 is there a simple way to get more debug info (like backtraces)?
[04:34:26] <Yaron>	 If you're using a recent-ish version of MediaWiki, you can add "$wgDebugToolbar = true;" to LocalSettings.php - it's a great new tool.
[04:35:29] <bonsaikitten>	 when it works
[04:35:38] <bonsaikitten>	 it doesn't appear on all pages etc.
[11:52:40] <Domerich>	 hi does anyone know how to build a semantic form
[12:22:27] <Domerich>	 This is my example code
[12:22:29] <Domerich>	 {{{1}}} is an actress[[Category:Actress]] born in {{{2}}}, [[Has state::{{{3}}}]], U.S. Her height is [[Has height::{{{4}}}]]. {{born}} [[Has year::{{{5}}}]].
[12:22:46] <Domerich>	 Now I would like to fill the {numbers} with a form
[14:48:06] <Domerich>	 Hi can anybody help me with semantic_form
[14:51:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed a bunch of issues with feed printer" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33117
[14:51:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Merge branch 'master' into 1.9.x" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33189
[14:52:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33189
[14:54:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 36309) Introduce +sep= as a multiple value identifier in #set" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[14:58:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Unit tests OK (8 tests, 16 assertions)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[15:04:09] <Yaron>	 !ask
[15:04:27] <Yaron>	 Is the bot just not working here at all?
[15:04:30] <Yaron>	 Oh well.
[15:04:47] <Yaron>	 Domerich: just ask your question(s).
[15:08:25] <Domerich>	 okay i have read several things about creating a query form but i dont get to terms with it
[15:09:24] <Domerich>	 So there is only one Category in my database and I would like to search in that
[15:10:11] <sven^>	 Database = Wiki?
[15:10:47] <Domerich>	 yes
[15:11:10] <Domerich>	 so now I have created a form:Item_query
[15:12:36] <Domerich>	 and I have come across this example http://pastebin.com/ZptyrA6m
[15:13:06] <Domerich>	 what is happening there?
[15:14:40] <Domerich>	 for Example I have a Property called Has_name and I would like to search that
[15:15:58] <sven^>	 you know how to use basic #ask?
[15:16:05] <Domerich>	 no
[15:16:36] <Domerich>	 it should be like [[Category:Actress]][[Has_name::Jessica*]]
[15:17:08] <Domerich>	 so all items with the Property Has_name containing Jessica* will be listed
[15:17:59] <sven^>	 yes. Try doing something like {{#ask: [[Category:Actress]] [[Has_name::~*Jessica*]] }}
[15:18:04] <sven^>	 on any page
[15:18:28] <sven^>	 read this: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
[15:20:49] <Domerich>	 thank you
[15:26:36] <Domerich>	 I forget Ive already read that last night ^^
[15:26:56] <Domerich>	 It works for when I ask numbers like birth year but names wont do :(
[15:27:32] <sven^>	 ask for the exact value
[15:27:46] <Domerich>	 ... because the property didn't exist - sorry
[15:27:56] <sven^>	 just to check if the property is correctly set
[15:27:57] <sven^>	 ..
[15:27:58] <sven^>	 well :P
[15:28:19] <Domerich>	 that was a logic error on my part
[15:30:17] <Domerich>	 okay so my real problem was how to create a form so someone could search for Alba
[15:35:04] <Domerich>	 there is very poor documention on how to use them IMO
[15:40:01] <Domerich>	 where can I find some code a simple query form?
[15:42:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Awesome :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[15:42:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[15:43:40] <sven^>	 Domerich: http://hpaste.org/77663
[15:43:42] <sven^>	 try this
[15:44:11] <sven^>	 you'll just have to create the form and the template and then set a link to Special:RunQuery/FORMNAME
[15:45:15] <Domerich>	 what you just gave me I save as a form right?
[15:46:52] <sven^>	 there is a form and a template in that paste
[15:47:03] <sven^>	 you need a form to let the user enter data
[15:47:19] <sven^>	 and then a template to actually put that data in an #ask statement and show the results
[15:47:39] <Domerich>	 interessant, let me try it out :)
[15:48:00] <sven^>	 read and understand it. You'll have to change the field names anyways
[15:51:55] <Domerich>	 okay I read it
[15:52:03] <Domerich>	 what does this mean: ! Vorname:
[15:52:03] <Domerich>	 | {{{field|name}}}
[15:52:20] <Domerich>	 my Property has_name will store the whole name only
[15:53:50] <sven^>	 it's just how it's displayed
[15:53:55] <sven^>	 change Vorname to Name:
[15:54:37] <sven^>	 and 'name' is just the name of the variable the user input gets saved in
[15:55:03] <Domerich>	 okay I ran it via http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Spezial:Abfrage_ausf�hren/ActressQuery
[15:56:18] <sven^>	 and?
[15:56:42] <Domerich>	 it shows Vorlage:ActoressQuerier
[15:56:50] <Domerich>	 my variables are all wrong I guess
[15:57:23] <Domerich>	 typo ^^
[15:57:45] <sven^>	 the form's name has to be ActressQuery
[15:58:16] <Domerich>	 okay now it says: Actors with name "":
[15:59:52] <sven^>	 I guess you put the wrong pagetext in Form:ActressQuery
[16:00:21] <Domerich>	 I will paste you what I have now
[16:00:22] <sven^>	 obviously the text from the Template is there
[16:07:04] <Domerich>	 http://hpaste.org/77664
[16:07:08] <Domerich>	 that what I have
[16:08:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 39019) Add +sep= as a multiple value identifier in #subobject" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33193
[16:12:08] <Domerich>	 Im not sure about those:
[16:12:09] <Domerich>	 | mainlabel=Has name
[16:12:09] <Domerich>	 | ?Has year
[16:12:09] <Domerich>	 | sort=name
[16:12:17] <Domerich>	 what is the mainlabel
[16:12:53] <Domerich>	 oh now that ive deleted them it works :)
[16:13:46] <Domerich>	 "| sort=Has name" fixed it I guess
[16:14:07] <Domerich>	 danke :)
[16:14:40] <sven^>	 yeah, sure. You'll have to sort by an existing column ;)
[16:14:52] <sven^>	 mainlabel is just the name of the main column
[16:14:58] <Domerich>	 thats awesome
[16:15:18] <Domerich>	 I just showed it to my room mates and they also thought it was impressive ;)
[16:17:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Uses the same ParserParameter class as #set which enables multiple values either by |Has property=Va..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33193
[16:17:48] <sven^>	 you can do a lot of nice stuff with smw... It just requires work and readin :/
[16:19:15] <Domerich>	 Yeah I just started yesterday and I dont know much about this stuff. But I find it very interesting
[16:24:13] <Domerich>	 what does | mainlabel=Has name mean again?
[16:27:51] <Domerich>	 it seems anything going like | ?Property in the form is irellevant, deleting it wont change anything
[16:34:51] <Domerich>	 what do I have to know to create a Form that will allow a user to create a new wiki page by entering information?
[16:35:09] <Domerich>	 my guts tell me {| class="formtable" isn't right
[16:36:57] <sven^>	 mainlabel is just the name of the first column
[16:37:26] <sven^>	 if you search for pages using #ask the first column displays the page names that are found
[16:37:33] <sven^>	 and the label in the first row is empty
[16:37:59] <sven^>	 so if your pages are actresses names, you could probably just use mainlabel=Name
[16:38:29] <sven^>	 To enter data you need pages in the Form namespace
[16:38:36] <sven^>	 edit some page like Form:Actress
[16:39:54] <Domerich>	 ok now I understand the mainlabel
[16:40:16] <Domerich>	 what do you mean by namespace?
[16:40:59] <sven^>	 there are namespaces in the wiki. The "main" namespace doesn't have a prefix. Like "Main page" or "Someotherpage".
[16:41:20] <sven^>	 but there are other namespaces like Form, Template, Special, etc
[16:41:56] <sven^>	 check http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Spezial:Alle_Seiten
[16:46:35] <Domerich>	 ah that shows all my articles :)
[16:47:28] <Domerich>	 so every article is a main namespace
[16:48:12] <sven^>	 no. Every article is IN the main namespace
[16:48:21] <Domerich>	 oh okay
[16:48:22] <sven^>	 use the dropdown to display different namespaces
[16:48:43] <Domerich>	 ah there is all my stuff. nice :)
[16:48:50] <sven^>	 here is a demo I made some time ago: https://www.a-oben.org/wiki/index.php/Contact-Demo
[16:48:53] <sven^>	 maybe that helps
[16:49:02] <sven^>	 I am off now... bye
[16:49:16] <Domerich>	 thanks ciao
[16:49:25] <Domerich>	 how can i see the code though?
[16:50:15] <sven^>	 "View Source"
[16:50:36] <Domerich>	 do I have to register first?
[16:50:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33117
[16:50:55] <Domerich>	 ah okay
[16:51:08] <Domerich>	 view source is only avialable to main namespace
[16:51:22] <Domerich>	 I will check that out thanks
[16:51:58] <sven^>	 https://www.a-oben.org/wiki/index.php?title=Form:Contact&action=edit
[16:51:59] <sven^>	 works for me...
[16:52:35] <sven^>	 just look at the linked pages (stuff used) and click "view source" on each of them
[16:52:44] <Domerich>	 great thanks
[16:52:51] <Domerich>	 bye
[17:29:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Merge branch 'master' into 1.9.x" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33196
[17:29:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33196
[17:30:52] <drobbins>	 hiya, have a quick question
[17:31:13] <drobbins>	 how does one use formlink to link to your own user page for editing?
[17:31:21] <drobbins>	 Special:MyPage does not seem to work.
[17:33:48] <drobbins>	 I tried using target=Special:MyPage. This displays Special:MyPage which is not editable.
[17:35:25] <drobbins>	 maybe just [[Special:MyPage]] with has_default_form?
[17:42:41] <drobbins>	 ok, I don't know if my original plan was going to work anyway, since they may need to create an account first.
[20:09:31] <drobbins>	 Yaron: around?
[20:09:52] <drobbins>	 Yaron: I have a JSON query that seems to be returning stale data. Any way to force the query to not be cached?
[20:10:27] <Yaron>	 Are you using the External Data caching table?
[20:12:41] <drobbins>	 not to my knowledge
[20:12:53] <drobbins>	 adding &action=purge to the JSON query URI *seems* to fix it.
[20:12:54] <drobbins>	 will test.
[20:13:03] <drobbins>	 I am using xcache
[20:13:08] <Yaron>	 Right - see here: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_data_I_have_just_added_show_up_in_queries.3F
[20:13:22] <Yaron>	 Not the same question, but the same answer.
[20:14:44] <drobbins>	 ok
[20:19:12] <drobbins>	 Yaron: I still don't think I am getting fresh data.
[20:19:49] <Yaron>	 What are you doing?
[20:22:57] <drobbins>	 Yaron: http://wiki.zenoss.org/Special:Ask/-5B-5BCategory:ZenPacks-5D-5D/-3FZenPack-20name/-3FSource-20URI/-3FDescription/format%3Djson/offset%3D0&action=purge
[20:23:28] <drobbins>	 Yaron: ZenPack:NetApp should be listed, and it isn't. But it shows up fine in the category listing here: http://wiki.zenoss.org/Category:ZenPacks
[20:23:58] <Yaron>	 Oh... oops. I thought you were talking about the External Data extension.
[20:24:29] <Yaron>	 Does it show up when using a non-JSON format, like "table"?
[20:24:39] <drobbins>	 let me see
[20:25:18] <drobbins>	 Yaron: yes it does
[20:26:15] <Yaron>	 That's very weird.
[20:26:24] <Yaron>	 I don't know - I would submit a bug report about that
[20:26:25] <Yaron>	 .
[20:27:29] <drobbins>	 Yaron: can you think of any workarounds for the time being, as it is impacting a production feature on our wiki?
[20:27:37] <drobbins>	 potential workarounds
[20:27:56] <Yaron>	 Use "csv" instead? Assuming that one works.
[20:28:43] <drobbins>	 Yaron: csv isn't working.
[20:29:27] <drobbins>	 Yaron: I've noticed that the output is truncated at a certain # of results.
[20:29:33] <drobbins>	 Yaron: I imagine that's the problem.
[20:29:38] <Yaron>	 You can add "limit=".
[20:29:45] <Yaron>	 ...like "limit=1000".
[20:29:52] <drobbins>	 that is probably the problem.
[20:30:00] <drobbins>	 I imagine there is a default limit.
[20:30:03] <Yaron>	 Aha!
[20:30:13] <Yaron>	 Yeah - 50 or 100, I think.
[20:30:19] <drobbins>	 yep, that'd do it :)
[20:31:53] <drobbins>	 Yaron: |limit=10000 in query doesn't fix it
[20:32:14] <Yaron>	 What number of results is it showing?
[20:32:16] <drobbins>	 limit is still 100
[20:32:17] <drobbins>	 100
[20:33:32] <drobbins>	 looks like I may need to tweak LocalSettings.php?
[20:34:32] <drobbins>	 $smwgQPrintoutLimit
[20:34:45] <Yaron>	 Yeah - there's an SMW setting... yeah, that's the one.
[20:35:08] <drobbins>	 there are a few others I might need.
[20:36:47] <drobbins>	 still only getting 100 results.
[20:36:49] <drobbins>	 urgh
[20:38:32] <drobbins>	 ok, think I fixed it
[20:38:41] <drobbins>	 set smwqQMaxInlineLimit too
[20:38:52] <drobbins>	 wiki says it defaults to 500, seems to default to 100 now. So fixed that.
[20:47:09] <drobbins>	 Yaron: resolved. changes to LocalSettings.php, plus explicitly specifying a limit above 100 in the query did the trick.
[20:49:39] <Yaron>	 Great!
[20:55:29] <voldial_>	 Is there a extension that has base64() so I can encode a property that contains illegal char strings like :: ?
[21:20:48] <voldial_>	 I cant find one... so I am calling base64_encode().php directly with the external data extension... seems like the reasonable way to do it
[21:42:34] <voldial_>	 where do I set CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER to false? I see the check in ED_Utils.php
[21:46:48] <Yaron>	 voldial_: I think you can do it in either LocalSettings.php, or php.ini.
[22:12:26] <voldial_>	 hm, I tried in php.ini CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER = false; but that didnt take... I must be confused on the syntax... I inserted "$CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER = false;" into ED_Util.php but I am still getting the CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER is not defined on this system - you must set $edgAllowSSL = "false" error... I am trying to query a https:// url with externaldata... I see examples like "curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER, FALSE); " but I dont h
[22:12:26] <voldial_>	 ave curl_setopt() defined...
[22:13:24] <voldial_>	 I have "$edgAllowSSL = true;" in LocalSettings.php
[22:31:36] <voldial_>	 well... I just commented out the return; in that ED_Utils.php section and it works ;-)
[22:33:35] <voldial_>	 kinda... it's still spitting out that warning.