[09:00:44] <bonsaikitten>	 ooookay ... wtf ... how does a property "Phone number" become renamed to "Telephone number" during an upgrade ?!
[10:44:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Added missing text area." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32882
[12:01:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Fix problems with saving properties, concepts, etc" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33064
[15:13:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Fix sortkey retrieval in Store3 (Bug 42033, ...)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33081
[15:39:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "This looks great. I only have one comment: could you have the button always be "Save", instead of al..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33064
[16:39:24] <Domerich>	 hi can somone help me with properties?
[16:39:29] <Ulfr>	 semantic's a dirty word over in the main channel
[16:39:31] <Domerich>	 I need to do this for class and Im a noob
[16:39:42] <Domerich>	 this is what I thought of :
[16:39:42] <Domerich>	 Jessica Alba {{Actresses}} Pomona, [[Is state of::California]][[Has type: String]], U.S.
[16:40:02] <Domerich>	 I created a mediawiki which will hold actresses
[16:40:11] <Ulfr>	 You'd want to make a page called Property:Is state of and define the type in there
[16:40:17] <Domerich>	 do I first have to create a property page (and how??
[16:41:03] <Domerich>	 okay but how?
[16:41:17] <Domerich>	 index.php/Property:Is state of ?
[16:42:02] <Ulfr>	 http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Properties_and_types#Datatypes%20for%20properties
[16:42:13] <Domerich>	 yes I read that
[16:42:15] <Domerich>	 but i dont get it
[16:43:22] <Ulfr>	 Here's one of mine
[16:43:22] <Ulfr>	 http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php?title=Property:Prompt&action=edit
[16:43:49] <Domerich>	 ah okay
[16:43:54] <Domerich>	 and how do i create it?
[16:43:57] <Domerich>	 http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Property:Is state of?
[16:44:26] <Ulfr>	 Yup.
[16:45:26] <Domerich>	 will this suffice?
[16:45:27] <Domerich>	 This is a property of type [[Has type::String]].
[16:45:42] <Ulfr>	 You tell me
[16:47:08] <Domerich>	 mhh it wont work
[16:47:16] <Domerich>	 it is still showing me the syntax
[16:47:33] <Domerich>	 eventough ive created the property now
[16:48:02] <Ulfr>	 What makes you think it's not working
[16:48:17] <Domerich>	 when I open my jessica alba wiki page it reads Jessica Alba ist eine Schauspielerin, geboren in Pomona, Is state of::California, U.S.
[16:48:28] <Domerich>	 and it should just say California
[16:48:47] <Ulfr>	 do you have it in [[ ]]?
[16:49:03] <Domerich>	 the code is Jessica Alba {{Actresses}} Pomona, [[Is state of::California]], U.S.
[16:49:24] <Ulfr>	 Okay, now edit and save the page without making changes. Semantic can be a bit slow on the uptake
[16:49:58] <Domerich>	 yeah Ive tried that a couple of times already :/
[16:49:59] <Ulfr>	 If that doesn't work check it on Special:Browse
[16:50:32] <Domerich>	 http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Spezial:Browse ?
[16:50:53] <Ulfr>	 if that's how special is spelled in german, sure
[16:51:25] <Domerich>	 it changed it to that ^^
[16:51:40] <Domerich>	 it says page is nonexistent
[16:52:08] <Ulfr>	 which page
[16:52:20] <Domerich>	 that special:browse
[16:52:28] <Ulfr>	 Is semantic mediawiki installed and enabled?
[16:52:37] <Domerich>	 oh oh
[16:52:40] <Ulfr>	 verify on Special:Version
[16:53:14] <Domerich>	 it says something bout the license
[16:53:47] <Ulfr>	 Do yourself and everyone else a favor. If you encounter a short error, copy paste it. If you encounter a large error, put it in a paste bin
[16:53:57] <Domerich>	 sorry i will
[16:54:02] <Ulfr>	 paraphrasing CS errors is kinda like telling your mechanic your car is making a funny noise
[16:54:11] <Domerich>	 http://pastebin.com/93VbxKFC
[16:54:40] <Domerich>	 that makes sense ^^
[16:55:24] <Ulfr>	 Yup. You don't have semantic installed
[16:55:39] <Ulfr>	 http://wikidoc.org/index.php/Special:Version
[16:56:00] <Ulfr>	 Semantic Mediawiki will be listed on that page when it's installed
[16:56:18] <Domerich>	 great I will try to install :~
[16:58:51] <Domerich>	 I will be back later, thanks so far
[17:20:50] <Domerich>	 Installing the semantics crashed my wiki :(
[17:22:01] <Domerich>	 what happened  there? http://pastebin.com/wzYGwLUE
[17:27:39] <Domerich>	 there is no such folder as Validator
[17:37:28] <Yaron1>	 Domerich: you need to also install the Validator extension.
[17:56:07] <Domerich>	 ah thanks
[18:00:09] <Domerich>	 what does that mean ?  Die Datenbank meldete den Fehler ?1146: Table 'my_wiki.smw_ids' doesn't exist (localhost)?.
[18:03:54] <Yaron>	 Domerich: you need to go to Special:SMWAdmin, and press the top button.
[18:12:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Fix problems with saving properties, concepts, etc" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33064
[18:17:01] <Ulfr>	 Kid's getting us to do his homework for him
[18:25:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33064
[18:27:52] <Yaron>	 Ulfr: well, he's hardly the first. Although I forgot about the fact that this is all for a class assignment...
[18:28:08] <Yaron>	 I'm quite curious about that. I didn't know there were any classes that required people to install SMW.
[18:28:15] <Ulfr>	 Yaron: I might've pulled the same stunt, but I'm getting paid
[18:28:27] <Ulfr>	 It's about finals time, he's probably scrapping something together for finals
[18:28:56] <Yaron>	 How does you getting paid factor into it? I didn't understand that.
[18:30:18] <Ulfr>	 Cheating in class is wrong, cheating in the work world is how IT works
[18:40:27] <Domerich>	 thanks yaron that worked
[18:41:51] <Yaron>	 Domerich: cool.
[18:41:59] <Yaron>	 Ulfr: oh, I get it, right. :)
[18:42:14] * Ulfr  breathes a sigh of relief

[18:42:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Various small fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33104
[18:42:32] <Ulfr>	 I thought I looked like a giant ass there for about 10 minutes
[18:42:49] <Yaron>	 Oh, sorry.
[18:43:38] <Yaron>	 Yeah, I mean, maybe school teaches everyone the wrong lessons.
[18:44:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33104
[18:44:12] <Ulfr>	 I maintain that school taught me very little about being an IT guy and everything about being a person
[18:44:28] <Ulfr>	 then again I got a networking degree without having to configure a single router as classwork
[18:45:51] <Yaron>	 The class part of school taught you about being a person?
[18:45:53] <Domerich>	 now the semantics work too, thanks ulfr
[18:46:24] <Ulfr>	 No, that was all of the horrible mistakes I made while I was procrastinating
[18:46:44] <Ulfr>	 Domerich: Not a problem. The guys in here helped me turn a mediawiki into a giant relational database, might as well pass it on
[18:47:01] <Domerich>	 :)
[18:47:35] <Domerich>	 I have trouble grasping the idea of properties. is it only so search engines can make sense out of it?
[18:48:29] <Ulfr>	 Naw, it's so that you can query your wiki
[18:48:39] <Ulfr>	 Making it SEO friendly required about 10k lines of wiki parser code
[18:48:56] <Ulfr>	 Well, SEO friendly AND stupid proof.
[18:49:08] <Domerich>	 okay so my example was Jessica Alba {{Actresses}} Pomona, [[Is state of::California]], U.S.
[18:49:18] <Domerich>	 what queries would make sense?
[18:49:39] <Domerich>	 will I see all actresses of california? I guess. what else?
[18:50:00] <Ulfr>	 nothing, you only have the one property
[18:50:25] <Ulfr>	 now if you wanted to know all the actresses from california that fall between 5'6 and 6'0 in height with blue eyes
[18:50:30] <Ulfr>	 Semantic's your jam
[18:51:25] <Domerich>	 so how would I add the extra information?
[18:51:31] <Ulfr>	 MOAR PROPERTIES
[18:52:09] <Domerich>	 like this? [[is hight of 5"::Jessica Alba]] ?
[18:52:28] <Ulfr>	 First one's free. You know everything you need to figure this out
[18:52:45] <Domerich>	 okay I will read that article again
[18:53:23] <Ulfr>	 if you're already familiar with objected oriented programming try thinking of the articles you're marking up as objects, while properties are attributes
[18:53:42] <Ulfr>	 if you're not, LSD might be the quickest way to wrap your brain around this
[18:53:57] <Domerich>	 LSD? lol
[18:54:01] <Ulfr>	 I'm kidding
[18:54:10] <Domerich>	 I know a little java
[18:54:18] <Domerich>	 and php
[18:54:27] <Domerich>	 by little I mean little
[18:54:45] <Ulfr>	 probably isn't gonna be easy
[18:55:24] <Domerich>	 This country has a population of [[Has population::1,234,567]]." I will try to apply this to her height
[18:58:03] <Domerich>	 Does this make any sense?
[18:58:06] <Domerich>	 Jessica Alba {{Actresses}} Pomona, [[Is state of::California]], U.S. Her height is [[Has height::1.70m]]. She was born in [Has age::1981]].
[18:59:27] <Yaron>	 Domerich: in my opinion, it's always better to store semantic properties via templates.
[18:59:40] <Domerich>	 that's what the next task is
[18:59:50] <Domerich>	 but I have no idea what templates do yet
[19:00:45] <Yaron>	 Domerich: so SMW and template are part of your class assignment?
[19:01:03] <Yaron>	 (templates)
[19:01:45] <Domerich>	 for the first week we have to do "properties and types, templates and inline queries.
[19:02:58] <Domerich>	 I will then have a semester's time to program a tool that will help annotating interview transskripts
[19:03:19] <Yaron>	 Wow, interesting.
[19:03:33] <Yaron>	 Is this for college or high school?
[19:04:01] <Domerich>	 yeah except Im a total noob. I'm a post grad with little to no programming experience ^^
[19:04:14] <Domerich>	 Im doing this by choice so I could actually learn something
[19:04:23] <Domerich>	 Im an industrial engineer
[19:04:33] <Yaron>	 Oh - very interesting.
[19:04:51] <Yaron>	 Well, it's useful knowledge, I think.
[19:04:59] <Domerich>	 I guess. If I can pull it off
[19:05:05] <Yaron>	 Here's an explanation of SMW and templates, by the way: ~/public_html/w/extensions/AdminLinks
[19:05:08] <Yaron>	 Oops!
[19:05:12] <Yaron>	 http://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Semantic_templates
[19:05:47] <Domerich>	 thanks... is all this stuff only available in English by the way?
[19:07:32] <Yaron>	 Some of it is available in other languages - you can look at the bottom of each page.
[19:08:10] <Domerich>	 haha sorry! I am used to looking on the right only
[19:08:19] <Domerich>	 much better now :=
[19:08:20] <Domerich>	 :)
[19:08:26] <Domerich>	 *to the left I mean
[19:09:55] <Yaron>	 Yeah, there's been quite a lot of translation done.
[19:10:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33081
[19:14:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Merge branch 'master' into 1.9.x" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33112
[19:15:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33112
[19:35:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added handling for non-existent concept" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33114
[19:37:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33114
[19:39:20] <Domerich>	 which function should I use to list all actresses stored in my wiki?
[19:43:57] <Ulfr>	 Domerich: Queries are covered in the documentation
[19:44:22] <Domerich>	 I cant seem to find the right one
[19:44:48] <Saruman>	 Domerich: depends on your information model
[19:45:06] <Saruman>	 if every actress has her own page, it'll be some form of #ask
[19:45:36] <Saruman>	 http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
[19:46:43] <Ulfr>	 'sup Saruman!
[19:47:55] <Saruman>	 Word!
[19:48:25] <Ulfr>	 Saruman: That project you gave me some tips on worked out swimmingly after a few initial pitfalls
[19:48:34] <Saruman>	 good!
[19:48:44] <Saruman>	 always nice to be able to help out
[19:52:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32861
[20:00:39] <Domerich>	 thanks
[20:03:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed a bunch of issues with feed printer" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33117
[21:15:04] <Domerich>	 How can I see all templates I created?
[21:34:04] <Saruman>	 Domerich: <your wiki URL>/Special:Templates
[21:39:30] <Domerich>	 thx
[21:47:23] <Domerich>	 I cant seem to find my code error
[21:47:43] <Domerich>	 I wanted to do a simple query and it works with some properties except with the one I want it to
[21:50:25] <Domerich>	 so my query is this. {{#ask: [[Category:actress]]
[21:50:25] <Domerich>	 }}
[21:50:50] <Domerich>	 Is it forbidden to use "Category" as a Property?
[21:54:47] <Saruman>	 Domerich: nope
[21:54:56] <Saruman>	 but you'll get every page in that category
[21:55:17] <Saruman>	 and you're not really using it "as a property"
[21:55:25] <Saruman>	 you're using it as a selection criterium
[21:56:01] <Saruman>	 so visit your Category:Actress page, and see if it contains the pages you want to find
[21:56:29] <Saruman>	 also: remember MediaWiki's strange penchant for capitalized owrds
[21:56:41] <Saruman>	 mebby you need {{#ask: [[Category:Actress]]}}
[22:00:46] <Domerich>	 mhhhh let me check
[22:02:28] <Domerich>	 when I open http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Attribut:Category it shows me all my entries
[22:08:35] <Domerich>	 oh okay :: is property, : is category
[22:08:58] <Saruman>	 try  http://localhost:4001/wiki/index.php/Categorie:Actress or whatever it is in your language
[22:09:05] <Saruman>	 <- bedtime here
[22:09:08] <Saruman>	 \o
[22:09:49] <Domerich>	 now it works :)
[22:25:06] <Domerich>	 awesome
[22:25:22] <Domerich>	 I now know how to filter properties... but how can I quantify them?
[22:26:26] <Domerich>	 I have an Has height property as an Integer
[22:37:20] <Domerich>	 I got it
[22:38:23] <Domerich>	 thanks for your help y'all
[22:38:27] <Domerich>	 I call it a night
[23:58:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Support added for SMWSQLStore3" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticDrilldown] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33152