[01:55:46] <drobbins>	 howdy
[03:04:40] <Pladask>	 howdy
[05:00:08] <drobbins>	 Anyone up for a question about a Semantic Internal Objects query?
[05:02:22] <drobbins>	 I want to query for a property for all parent objects that have an internal object that has a property of a particular value
[05:05:03] <drobbins>	 Person is the parent. Role is the child
[05:05:15] <drobbins>	 so if I want to query for all Persons who have a role of developer.
[05:05:51] <drobbins>	 I can do that. Then I need a property from the Person back, not properties from the role.
[05:15:13] <drobbins>	 I think I need to learn about inverse properties
[07:40:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Ah, now I understand what the problem was! Good catch. Nischay, could you amend the patch to do this..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[07:45:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Forget my last comment: my fixes for UnusedProperties are not merged yet, so this will not work well..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[07:49:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Sorry, I changed my mind again. You found the cause of the problem, but I now think it needs to be f..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[07:56:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Fix Bug 38811" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32206
[08:00:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Ok, I fixed the problem now in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/32206/2 Please review. The key for..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[08:07:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "Its good that this patch was helpful, but is this feature of including the resources using one call ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[08:07:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/32206/2 is an alternate for this" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[08:18:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "UnusedProperties still doesn't highlight special properties for me" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32206
[09:39:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Nischay, Special:UnusedProperties highlights special properties for me and shows a tooltip. Please s..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32206
[09:52:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Nischay, the mechanism for requiring output resources in SMW is only documented in source code. This..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32403
[10:24:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "Markus, you are right. I have two properties with names similar to special properties." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32206
[10:29:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Making saving message Strong" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32512
[10:30:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nischayn22; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticWatchlist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32512
[11:21:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32201
[11:24:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32464
[11:26:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32389
[11:33:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Seems like "delimiter" or "separator" would be a better name then "list"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[11:50:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Better fix for Bug 39392" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32555
[14:29:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Rewritten SQLStore3 writing methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32397
[15:42:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Henning Snater; "Saves some bytes without any visible difference." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31636
[16:09:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Merge branch 'master' into 1.9.x" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32570
[16:09:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32570
[16:11:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW 1.9: Create SMW\Highlighter class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32012
[16:29:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Works as before this time just with a cleaner interface." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32012
[16:37:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Seems like "delimiter" or "separator" would be a better name then "list"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[16:40:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Well, I really don't mind the name, so whatever works is fine with me since the code is flexible eno..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32347
[17:14:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW 1.9/(Bug 34782) Add note to #info parser function" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32578
[17:29:04] <drobbins>	 Yaron: in the house?
[17:29:15] <Yaron>	 Hi, yes.
[17:29:27] <Yaron>	 I should pull out the !ask...
[17:29:29] <Yaron>	 !ask
[17:29:54] <Yaron>	 Oh well - the robot's not working today, I guess.
[17:29:58] <Yaron>	 !hello
[17:41:45] <drobbins>	 Yaron: hiya, sorry, got distracted.
[17:42:00] <drobbins>	 Yaron: I have found several bugs in Data Transfer that I can demo for you
[17:42:09] <Yaron>	 Alright.
[17:42:21] <drobbins>	 Yaron: also found a bug in semantic forms
[17:42:28] <drobbins>	 getting links
[17:42:54] <drobbins>	 Yaron: http://wiki.zenoss.org/Special:ViewXML?title=Special%3AViewXML&namespaces%5B500%5D=on&simplified_format=on
[17:43:06] <drobbins>	 first bug is that simplified format XML can output invalid XML
[17:43:37] <Yaron>	 Alright.
[17:44:24] <drobbins>	 let me get another link
[17:44:37] <Yaron>	 Yeah, there's definitely something strange going on with the parsing there.
[17:44:57] <drobbins>	 also, regular format can also output invalid XML: http://wiki.zenoss.org/Special:ViewXML?title=Special%3AViewXML&namespaces%5B500%5D=on
[17:46:33] <Yaron>	 That actually seems like the same bug.
[17:47:39] <drobbins>	 ok
[17:48:02] <Yaron>	 It looks like stuff like this is messing up the Data Transfer parser: "{{ZenPackDevelopmentInstallationCli|github_url={{#show: {{FULLPAGENAME}} | ?Source URI}}|...".
[17:48:27] <drobbins>	 yep
[17:48:30] <Yaron>	 DT isn't expecting that kind of complex stuff.
[17:49:13] <drobbins>	 yep, someone added that and that's when it seemed to die.
[17:49:14] <Yaron>	 Why are you calling stuff like that, anyway? Why not have the template take care of all the complex syntax?
[17:49:26] <Yaron>	 Oh, I see - a user added that.
[17:49:26] <drobbins>	 someone added it.
[17:49:28] <drobbins>	 yep
[17:49:48] <drobbins>	 the XML feeds our build system so I need it to work reliably.
[17:50:06] <drobbins>	 I am wondering if I can write an #ask that will provide the data I need in an XML or similar format.
[17:50:11] <drobbins>	 as a workaround.
[17:50:26] <drobbins>	 can #ask output as XML?
[17:50:42] <Yaron>	 Sure - there are the "csv" and "json" formats. Not XML, though.
[17:50:49] <drobbins>	 ok
[17:51:06] <drobbins>	 next bug I found was with datepicker in semantic forms
[17:51:15] <drobbins>	 but I think that may not be yours? But another extension?
[17:51:40] <drobbins>	 the second datepicker field in a multi-field entry does not render via jquery. Little date icon missing and no dropdown.
[17:51:51] <Yaron>	 Yeah, it's part of SFI, written by Ftrott.
[17:52:14] <drobbins>	 urg, now it's magically working.
[17:52:23] <drobbins>	 it doesn't work under certain circumstances
[17:52:28] <drobbins>	 let me see if I can get it to reproduce
[17:52:44] <drobbins>	 let me just show it to you so you are aware:
[17:52:48] <drobbins>	 http://www.funtoo.org/index.php?title=User:Drobbins&action=formedit
[17:53:13] <drobbins>	 if you add a new role to this page, you'll see "End date" is missing jquery datepicker goodness
[17:53:19] <drobbins>	 but it works for existing entries
[17:53:31] <drobbins>	 just not newly-created ones via "add role"
[17:53:38] <drobbins>	 (I am using Chrome over here)
[17:54:00] <Yaron>	 Hopefully Ftroot is reading this, or will read it at some point.
[17:54:07] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: pingzor
[17:54:18] <Yaron>	 Ftrott, that is. Otherwise, I'd send him an email.
[17:54:32] <drobbins>	 ok, will do
[17:54:34] <Yaron>	 For the DT issue - for now, I'd say the easiest solution is to tell the user to cut it out. :)
[17:54:45] <drobbins>	 will do that as well.
[17:54:52] <drobbins>	 and I have a query question.
[17:54:58] <drobbins>	 and then I should be good for today
[17:55:11] <drobbins>	 on funtoo.org I have a Person template that gets expanded on User pages.
[17:55:26] <drobbins>	 as you saw, I have Roles for each person. Roles are using semantic internal objects.
[17:55:34] <drobbins>	 I want to create a map of all people who are in a particular role.
[17:55:51] <drobbins>	 without the semantic internal objects (multi-role support), I would be able to do this easily
[17:56:09] <drobbins>	 can't figure out how to do it with semantic internal objects, googled for SIO example queries, couldn't find anything useful.
[17:56:29] <drobbins>	 don't know if I can exploit inverse properties or property chains to do this.
[17:56:50] <drobbins>	 the Geographic location semantic data is stored on the user page, which is what I want to pass to semantic maps
[17:57:01] <drobbins>	 but I want to select based on criteria in the role SIO
[17:57:49] <drobbins>	 #ask [[-Role of::+]] returns all users with roles
[17:58:24] <drobbins>	 #ask [[Role type::Developer]] |?Role of }} returns all users in a Developer role
[17:58:42] <drobbins>	 but I also want Geoloc from the User page returned, so I can map it
[18:00:50] <drobbins>	 Yaron: really want to figure this one out. Seems fairly basic.
[18:02:20] <drobbins>	 but it looks like I can't use prop chains in output fields
[18:02:23] <Yaron>	 Ah - that's kind of a tricky one. This is an issue caused by the lack of support for "?property A.property B" in queries, right?
[18:02:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Store3: tablenames, usage count init, style" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32583
[18:02:29] <Yaron>	 Right.
[18:02:53] <drobbins>	 Yep. otherwise |?Role of.Geoloc would give it to me
[18:02:57] <drobbins>	 I think
[18:03:05] <drobbins>	 which would be AWESOME
[18:03:57] <drobbins>	 don't know if there is a workaround or if I am going beyond the limits of SMW. Doesn't seem overly complex, just not aware of a good way to get it done.
[18:04:53] <Yaron>	 There's a hack that can be done, of having that multiple-instance template store that same data, using something like "[[Geoloc of person::{{#show:{{PAGENAME}}|?Geoloc}}]]".
[18:05:33] <Yaron>	 The problem is, a new person page needs to be saved twice, for it to work.
[18:05:42] <drobbins>	 Yaron: any future possibility of supporting prop chains on property output?
[18:06:00] <Yaron>	 Not my decision.
[18:06:04] <drobbins>	 yeah, that's not going to be too wonderful.
[18:06:12] <drobbins>	 figured you may have some insights there
[18:06:19] <drobbins>	 (on feature support)
[18:06:34] <Yaron>	 Feel free to write the semediawiki-devel mailing list about it.
[18:06:43] <drobbins>	 OK
[18:06:44] <Yaron>	 I too think it would be a great addition.
[18:07:18] <Yaron>	 Actually, semediawiki-user is probably the right choice for that one.
[18:07:25] <drobbins>	 for now, is there a cleaner way to do this?
[18:07:33] <drobbins>	 maybe with subobjects?
[18:07:41] <drobbins>	 seems like such a common use case.
[18:07:47] <drobbins>	 I will subscribe and post
[18:13:09] <Ftrott>	 Yaron: drobbins: I think I fixed the datepicker bug  yesterday. Although, I have to say if it is the bug fixed yesterday, then it is an SF bug. :P
[18:13:30] <Yaron>	 Oh!
[18:13:34] <Ftrott>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/32409/
[18:13:40] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: what's an SF bug?
[18:13:56] <Ftrott>	 drobbins: the datepicker thing
[18:14:49] <drobbins>	 SF = ?
[18:15:00] <Yaron>	 Ftrott: I didn't see this before; I'm looking at it now.
[18:15:08] <Ftrott>	 Cool
[18:15:51] <Ftrott>	 Basically the whole registration mechanism for validation and initialization of inputs was borked
[18:16:34] <Ftrott>	 Which probably makes it 'my' bug again ;-)
[18:17:52] <Yaron>	 Ftrott: well, it was always kind of in a state of flux...
[18:18:03] <Yaron>	 Is it now fully working, as far as you know?
[18:18:11] <Yaron>	 drobbins: SF = Semantic Forms.
[18:18:16] <Ftrott>	 Sure. until the next bug is found :)
[18:18:30] <Ftrott>	 No really, I think it should work much better now
[18:18:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32409
[18:19:21] <Yaron>	 Great.
[18:22:06] <drobbins>	 so is this fixed in Git now, I can pull in my SF repo and grab the fix?
[18:22:11] <drobbins>	 (the datepicker thing)
[18:23:07] <Ftrott>	 drobbins: Yaron just merged it, so you can just do a git pull on SF
[18:23:15] <drobbins>	 excellent, thanks
[18:23:23] <drobbins>	 let's see if it works, I can test it now
[18:25:12] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: updated git, tried in a Chrome incognito window (to ensure I had fresh stuff), and I am still seeing the problem here.
[18:25:57] <Ftrott>	 drobbins: I'll have a look.
[18:26:28] <drobbins>	 Yaron: posted to the -user list
[18:26:45] <Yaron>	 Nice.
[18:28:16] <drobbins>	 looks like the list is moderated? Or just takes a bit to update
[18:28:26] <drobbins>	 I'm subscribed
[18:45:39] <dreamer>	 so .. I'm wondering if/how it's possible to have a semantic form that prepares a basic 'template' for the page created (headers/sections and such)
[18:45:53] <dreamer>	 basic text on the page basically (instead of an empty field like usual)
[18:46:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "bugfix: JS crash when initializing muliple template input" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32587
[18:47:44] <Ftrott>	 drobbins: Could you try https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/32587/ ?
[18:48:52] <Ftrott>	 dreamer: SF will only create a list of template calls, possibly followed by some free text.
[18:49:57] <dreamer>	 well, I'd like to have the free text field filled in with some basic stuff already
[18:53:29] <Ftrott>	 It should be possible to give it some default text. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#The_free_text_input
[18:58:08] <dreamer>	 hmmm, lets see
[18:58:21] <dreamer>	 preload=page title << nice
[18:58:28] <dreamer>	 we already have a template-page, could start with that
[19:03:01] * dreamer  play around a bit

[19:11:10] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: back
[19:11:35] <drobbins>	 trying new patch
[19:12:38] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: that doesn't seem to be in master where I'm pulling from
[19:13:02] <Ftrott>	 drobbins: no, you'll have to pull the patch
[19:13:23] <drobbins>	 is it in a separate branch?
[19:13:31] <drobbins>	 or different repo?
[19:13:59] <Ftrott>	 try this command: git pull https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms refs/changes/87/32587/1
[19:15:07] <drobbins>	 worked
[19:15:32] <drobbins>	 but explain to me, was it not merged into master? or is /r/ different from /r/p/ ?
[19:15:35] <drobbins>	 testing now
[19:15:52] <drobbins>	 Ftrott: that fixed it
[19:16:18] <Ftrott>	 cool. the workflow is, that first a patch is submitted,which is then reviewed and only then merged
[19:17:29] <drobbins>	 ok, haven't done that before.
[19:24:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Foxtrott; "Confirmed to be working by bug reporter." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32587
[19:24:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Foxtrott; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32587
[20:47:34] <dreamer>	 hmm, on a semantic query, I want to strip a prefix I have for the pages in this category
[20:47:49] <dreamer>	 so the page-names are Prefix/Pagename and I want the result to just say Pagename
[20:48:16] <dreamer>	 can/how I do this?
[20:57:57] <Ftrott>	 dreamer: You could store the Pagename in a property. Or you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23titleparts
[21:15:07] <dreamer>	 Ftrott: nice
[21:15:31] <dreamer>	 can that be used in a template?
[21:15:40] <dreamer>	 for a result-table
[21:20:08] <Ftrott>	 dreamer: Yes. You will have to use format=template
[21:21:09] <dreamer>	 yeah, ok. I'm going to tweak it
[21:23:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Rotsee; "Added message documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticExtraSpecialProperties] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32602
[21:31:21] <drobbins>	 wondering why \n is not recognized in #arraymap on the following page: http://wiki.zenoss.org/index.php?title=Template:ZenPackEggInstallationCli&action=edit
[21:33:11] <drobbins>	 Yaron: any ideas on this one?
[21:34:02] <Yaron>	 drobbins - you probably need \n\n .
[21:34:11] <Yaron>	 A single newline gets ignored by the wikitext parser.
[21:34:19] <drobbins>	 tried it. It renders inside the <pre> as "\n" or "\n\n"
[21:34:35] <drobbins>	 maybe an issue due to {{#tag}}
[21:34:36] <drobbins>	 ?
[21:34:42] <Yaron>	 Oh, I get it.
[21:35:20] <Yaron>	 Try <nowiki>(an actual newline)</nowiki>.
[21:35:25] <Yaron>	 I don't know if that'll work.
[21:37:08] <drobbins>	 the nowiki part appears to work
[21:37:22] <drobbins>	 now I need to try to fix something else :)
[21:39:04] <drobbins>	 somehow it's not getting rid of the comma delimiter when used in this way
[21:39:22] <drobbins>	 looks like stuff is blowing up and conflicting with one another
[21:40:28] <drobbins>	 strange, but on the first line, my <console> extension is working, but on the second line, it fails.
[21:42:09] <drobbins>	 if you search this page for "zenhub", you'll see what it's doing: http://wiki.zenoss.org/ZenPack:F5_BIG-IP
[22:03:15] <dreamer>	 Ftrott: what do you think, can I get the part after the prefix like this? -> {{#titleparts: {{{1}}} | |-1}} (instead of {{{1}}} )
[22:05:25] <Ftrott>	 dreamer: Depends on what you want,. If you have pages of the form A/B/C and want C, then the above should work
[22:06:09] <Ftrott>	 (works of course also for A/B, giving B)
[22:18:14] <dreamer>	 I have the 2nd
[22:18:21] <dreamer>	 but I'm not getting a result atm
[22:26:53] <dreamer>	 hmm, not getting a result _at all_ atm .. hmm
[22:49:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Awesome! :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32012
[22:52:07] <Ftrott>	 dreamer: Have you installed the ParserFunctions extension?
[23:18:52] <drobbins>	 Yaron: for the View XML stuff, any idea why I am not getting XML? I cleaned up the prior mess to avoid issues
[23:19:39] <drobbins>	 Yaron: see http://wiki.zenoss.org/Special:ViewXML?title=Special%3AViewXML&namespaces%5B500%5D=on&simplified_format=on . As far as I can tell, I am only seeing HTML.
[23:20:37] <drobbins>	 ah, when I wget the page, I get something different from when I view sources.
[23:26:14] <drobbins>	 Yaron: do you prettify XML, because I think I found a bug in your parser
[23:26:35] <drobbins>	 Yaron: <strong> converts to &lt;strong&gt (no semicolon <<<--) in the XML output.
[23:26:47] <Yaron>	 Oh... oops.
[23:27:20] <Yaron>	 Ah, you're right!
[23:27:26] <Yaron>	 Thanks for the catch.
[23:28:02] <drobbins>	 you're welcome
[23:29:12] <Yaron>	 Unfortunately, I can't do any Git check-ins right now, because my server is giving me problems.
[23:29:48] <Yaron>	 But the error is in line 316 of /specials/DT_ViewXML.php.
[23:30:06] <drobbins>	 ok, will tweak locally, thanks
[23:33:58] <drobbins>	 Yaron: found another bug for you.
[23:34:18] <drobbins>	 Yaron: if you look here: http://wiki.zenoss.org/Special:ViewXML?title=Special%3AViewXML&namespaces%5B500%5D=on&simplified_format=on
[23:34:31] <drobbins>	 Yaron: and search for "APC Automatic" and look at that entry (Page ID 140)
[23:34:51] <drobbins>	 Yaron: you will see how embed in templates appear in the XML. They get mangled.
[23:35:47] <drobbins>	 Yaron: this happens in simplified as well as "normal" XML mode