[07:53:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Improved Time handling" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28666
[07:54:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28666
[08:07:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "What is the status of this?" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23991
[08:42:03] <rohr>	 Hey Guys, someone knows whether there is any way to use nested ask Queries? Means sth like {{#ask: {{#ask: [[SomePage]] | ?SomeThings }} | ?SomeOtherThings }}
[08:42:29] <rohr>	 I tried with an implementation as shown above but it seems like, the ask query is not able to query it's own results once more
[08:43:13] * rohr  slaps rohr around a bit with a large trout

[08:46:57] <Saruman>	 rohr: yes there is
[08:47:07] <Saruman>	 use extension Variables
[08:47:36] <Saruman>	 {{#vardefine:subquery|{{#ask: [[SomePage]] | ?SomeThings }}}}
[08:47:51] <Saruman>	  {{#ask: {{#var:subquery}} | ?SomeOtherThings }}
[08:48:34] <rohr>	 Thank you very much Saruman :)
[09:03:04] <Saruman>	 rohr: you're welcome
[09:10:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Implement consequences of new Container handling" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28671
[09:11:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28671
[11:32:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Check validity before accessing member object" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28675
[11:34:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28675
[16:25:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix tests: apparently a PHPUNit Exception is thrown under certain configs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28684
[16:25:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28684
[16:31:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Update params of calender format" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28685
[17:01:13] <SColburn>	 Howdy folks.
[17:02:21] <Saruman>	 howdy
[17:03:29] <SColburn>	 Any chance someone wouldn't mind helping me with an issue in selecting pages? I've been scratching my head about this one for a couple hours now.
[17:03:46] <Saruman>	 sure, shoot
[17:10:47] <SColburn>	 Sorry - got pulled away for a moment.
[17:11:16] <SColburn>	 Okay - so essentially, I've got an #ask: where I'm trying to select by both a category and a property, but it appears that it's (mostly) ignoring my category and selecting any page by that property, regardless of category.
[17:11:45] <SColburn>	 in this case: #ask: [[Author::Richard_Tamalavitch]] [[Category:Code_Library_CS_NPR]]
[17:12:21] <SColburn>	 I have authors tagged in Category:Code_Library_CS_NPR and Category:Code_Library_M-AT pages
[17:12:23] <Saruman>	 hmm it shouldn't ignore the category
[17:12:30] <SColburn>	 Yeah, that's my thinking.
[17:12:38] <Saruman>	 which version of SMW are you running
[17:13:19] <Saruman>	 and is your wiki publicly accessible
[17:13:40] <SColburn>	 Where can I find which version? And I'm afraid not - it's on a company intranet.
[17:14:08] <SColburn>	 (I had to have the admins install the extension, so I'm not sure where to look for version info)
[17:14:31] <Saruman>	 go to Special:Version
[17:15:15] <SColburn>	 Version 1.7.1
[17:15:44] <Saruman>	 well you can't get more recent than that, stable-wise
[17:15:50] <SColburn>	 Yeah. Hrm
[17:15:56] <SColburn>	 So in this case:
[17:15:59] <Saruman>	 one other explanation
[17:16:25] <Saruman>	 mebby if you've changed the category assignment of the pages recently, then the results aren't properly cached yet
[17:16:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Update Store3 layout for geo coordinates" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28688
[17:16:56] <Saruman>	 you could press refresh tab on the page containing the erraneous query
[17:17:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28688
[17:17:02] <Saruman>	 that updates the results
[17:17:14] <SColburn>	 I have the following in there as a quick test: {{#ask: [[Author::Richard_Tamalavitch]] [[Category:Code_Library_CS_NPR]]}}  -  this is displaying a comma delimited list of everything Richard is the author of, which are pages ONLY in the Category:Code_Library_M-AT
[17:17:37] <SColburn>	 Yeah, I've refereshed everything, and those categories have also not changed at all recently.
[17:18:07] <SColburn>	 however, if I change the category in the selection to something else entirely, something nonexistant, it gives me nothing
[17:18:19] <Saruman>	 strange
[17:18:41] <Saruman>	 lemme look in the docs for a moment
[17:20:35] <Saruman>	 well this should work as intended
[17:20:59] <Saruman>	 stupid test: could you try swap the category and author selection around?
[17:21:06] <SColburn>	 First thing I tried :)
[17:21:08] <SColburn>	 same results
[17:21:22] <Saruman>	 heh, i'd've been surprised if it'd made a difference
[17:21:27] <Saruman>	 nevertheless
[17:21:41] <Saruman>	 this seems like a bug to me
[17:23:06] <SColburn>	 My best guess is that it has something to do with either category names being similar or category name hierarchy
[17:23:14] <Saruman>	 and you're sure that there are resulting pages that actually lack the Category:Code_Library_CS_NPR in the categories listbox at the bottom
[17:23:18] <Saruman>	 ah, wait
[17:23:22] <SColburn>	 Absolutely certain
[17:23:28] <Saruman>	 do you use subcategories
[17:23:28] <SColburn>	 Yes
[17:23:47] <Saruman>	 then you're probably inferencing without knowing it
[17:24:15] <SColburn>	 There are four Code Library categories: Code Library M-AT, Code Library FS, Code Library CS NPR, Code Library MAGIC NPR
[17:24:29] <SColburn>	 and they're all subs of Category:Code Libraries
[17:24:31] <Saruman>	 if a page is in cat Code_Library_M-AT, which is a subcategory of cat:Code_Library_CS_NPR, then the page is actually in cat:Code_Library_CS_NPR by inheritance
[17:25:01] <SColburn>	 Yeah, shouldn't be the case - they're all four subs of one category, not each other
[17:25:01] <Saruman>	 ow that shouldn't make a difference
[17:25:25] <SColburn>	 So my other guess is that somehow, because of the similar names or something they're ending up selecting eachother's stuff. It's weird.
[17:25:26] <Saruman>	 so if you change the query to Code Library FS, does that make a differnece
[17:25:33] <Saruman>	 yeah it is weird
[17:25:40] <SColburn>	 Nope, I can change the query to any of those four categories
[17:26:02] <SColburn>	 only the M-AT category is on pages where that guy is the author property
[17:26:04] <Saruman>	 can you make a bug report then, please?
[17:26:08] <SColburn>	 I can try!
[17:26:10] <SColburn>	 haha
[17:26:20] <SColburn>	 I wish it was a public wiki so I could just post it as an example.
[17:26:25] <Saruman>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
[17:27:01] <SColburn>	 For the moment I've got to try some stuff to work around it - going to try making a new category for those pages just to use for the select to see if that helps.
[17:27:04] <SColburn>	 and will do.
[17:27:15] <Saruman>	 ok tnx
[17:27:15] <SColburn>	 I'm just glad I'm not an idiot/going crazy :)
[17:27:30] <SColburn>	 Many thanks, Saruman.
[17:27:30] <Saruman>	 well that hasn't been ruled out yet...  :-O
[17:27:36] <SColburn>	 WE'LL SEE!
[17:27:44] <Saruman>	 but then again, it hasn't for me either :-)
[17:27:47] <SColburn>	 haha, indeed
[17:39:35] <SColburn>	 Hah, crazy
[17:39:48] <SColburn>	 My new category, Code Library Test
[17:39:52] <SColburn>	 works just fine
[17:40:01] <SColburn>	 it is also a sub of Coding Libraries
[17:40:37] <SColburn>	 How very odd!
[17:55:10] <Saruman>	 indeed
[17:55:22] <Saruman>	 on the other hand, maybe you're onto something here
[17:55:38] <Saruman>	 maybe the selection indeed is only on the first 12-odd letters
[17:56:09] <Saruman>	 well it
[17:56:12] <Saruman>	 's all very confusing
[18:01:32] <SColburn>	 Yeah, hrm
[18:01:41] <SColburn>	 I just discovered that even just the following:
[18:02:25] <SColburn>	 {{#ask: [[Category:Code_Library_CS_NPR]]}} is giving me everything from all four categories for some reason
[18:03:00] <Saruman>	 can you look at the category's page and see if you haven't perchance created Code CAtegories as a subcat fo this one?
[18:03:10] <SColburn>	 So it has nothing to do with combining the category and property conditions, it's just that this category (or any of the four) are returning results from anything within Category:Code Libraries it seems
[18:03:23] <Saruman>	 good diagnostic find
[18:03:31] <SColburn>	 I've looked, but I haven't seen anything to that effect
[18:03:58] <Saruman>	 hrm
[18:04:03] <Saruman>	 hrm hrm
[18:04:12] <Saruman>	 can't explain this
[18:05:41] <SColburn>	 AH
[18:05:43] <SColburn>	 think I found it
[18:05:55] <SColburn>	 I think it was a category issue
[18:07:07] <SColburn>	 It looks like all four of those Code Library categories effectively have sub categories that are shared.
[18:09:52] <SColburn>	 Saruman: Is there a way to select only what's immediately within a category, and not in a sub?
[18:16:51] <Saruman>	 don't think there is
[18:16:58] <Saruman>	 and that's logical
[18:17:11] <Saruman>	 cat:man is a subcat of cat:human
[18:17:25] <SColburn>	 *nod* at least it makes sense now, and is not a bug. I just didn't dig deep enough in the subs to realize what was going on
[18:17:27] <Saruman>	 doesn't make much sense to ask for cat:human without asking for cat:man
[18:17:37] <Saruman>	 good to hear you've found it
[18:17:41] <SColburn>	 Aye
[18:17:50] <Saruman>	 SMW sadly lacks much negotion possibilities
[18:17:51] <SColburn>	 It's still a big mess.
[18:18:10] <Saruman>	 well you probably need to look at the information model you're currently using
[18:20:04] <SColburn>	 Because if I select Category:Code Library CS NPR it includes Category:DateTime which includes articles related to DateTime from all four code categories (and as such, they've listed it as a sub of each, even though that's misleading, as the subcat includes articles not about CS NPR)
[18:20:34] <SColburn>	 So really, I need to convince them to let me un-sub each of those, and just make them all subs of Category:Code Libraries
[18:21:43] <Saruman>	 I can't follow your explanation exactly, it's pretty domain specific
[18:21:56] <Saruman>	 just remember that categories are interpreted as classes
[18:22:15] <Saruman>	 so a member of a subcategory is always a member of every parent category as well
[18:22:44] <Saruman>	 you can build your category trees accordingly
[18:24:06] <SColburn>	 Yeah
[18:58:22] <SColburn>	 I've convinced them to restructure, because it's silly the way it is. Thanks for talking me through it, Saruman - was very helpful to have someone to bounce things off of.
[19:44:32] <Saruman>	 ok you're welcome
[22:40:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make use of nicer interface when available and route all set and get requests to the same methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28773
[22:52:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated Google Charts param defs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28775
[22:59:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated chart format param defs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28776
[23:04:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make use of nicer interface when available and route all set and get requests to the same methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28773
[23:07:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Can be submitted when MW change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28773/ is getting merged." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28773
[23:10:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated process format param defs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28778
[23:14:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated slideshow format param defs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28779
[23:16:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Minor cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28780
[23:29:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated deprecated parameter definitions" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28785