[03:37:01] <drobbins>	 hiya
[03:37:29] <drobbins>	 I am doing a viewxml dump, and I am having a very strange issue with a Unicode BOM showing up at the end of the XML file and breaking it
[03:37:34] <drobbins>	 very last character.
[04:05:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "This introduced a BOM into the code." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14609
[04:18:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Kill BOMbs hidden in PHP files." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27973
[08:07:17] <Nikerabbit>	 drobbins: I think....
[08:07:28] <Nikerabbit>	 drobbins: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/27973/
[08:31:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27973
[10:30:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27885
[14:23:19] <Rinkel>	 :D
[14:23:20] <Rinkel>	 [[SMW::on]]
[14:23:42] <Rinkel>	 I give up :D Thats in the output :D
[14:40:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Introduce smwfContextHighlighter as global function" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28026
[14:42:11] <Saruman>	 Rinkel: what's your question
[14:43:14] <Rinkel>	 The question is easy. In the #ask output is [[SMW::ON]] I have no clue how it gets there.
[14:44:28] <Saruman>	 publicly visible?
[14:45:21] <Rinkel>	 if you mean if the wiki is open? No, its closed till the release :D
[14:46:08] <Rinkel>	 But i can make a account
[14:46:26] <Saruman>	 If you wish I could take a stab at ti
[14:46:27] <Saruman>	 it
[14:48:24] <Rinkel>	 stab ?
[14:49:05] <Saruman>	 have a go
[14:49:13] <Saruman>	 nose around
[14:49:19] <Saruman>	 make an attempt
[14:51:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Front-end func. have not been altered but the code is cleaner and easier to understand. Tested with ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28026
[15:10:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF Eventcalendar, enable latest start date" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28031
[15:20:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28031
[15:25:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please have a look at inline suggestion" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28026
[15:25:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28026
[17:04:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Wow ... I would do -2 here but it is already merged ... something is causing a major issue here." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27940
[17:08:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Revert "Improve subobject handling in SMWSemanticData"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28048
[17:08:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28048
[17:11:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Temporary revert as apparently this is causing store2 to break, needs some investigating" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28049
[17:11:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28049
[17:11:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Re-apply "Fix handling of Container objects."" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28051
[17:12:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Re-apply "Improve subobject handling in SMWSemanticData"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28052
[17:17:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Limit support for outdated Type: namespace prefix" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28054
[17:17:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Fixed handling for errors in property types" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28055
[17:17:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Corrected handling of error DIs and DVs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28056
[17:17:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Rewritten access/caching layer for smw_ids" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28057
[17:17:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28054
[17:17:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Looks good now, so some of the three commits related to subobject handling caused the problem." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28048
[17:18:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28056
[17:18:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28055
[17:20:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28057
[19:11:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tpt; "Fix an i18n error." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticGenealogy] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28077
[19:16:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tpt; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticGenealogy] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28077
[19:20:42] <Ulfr>	 Hello all, I was wondering what I needed to do to enable semantic queries through the API?
[19:31:18] <Ulfr>	 Nvm. Used my brain for once :D
[19:31:42] <Saruman>	 ah, brainuse. Can be quite useful (sometimes)
[19:39:41] <Ulfr>	 Quite often it hurts.
[19:42:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Depends on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28051/" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28052
[19:50:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ! help
[19:50:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 mm, how does that work again
[19:50:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 .help
[19:50:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ! info
[19:51:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !help
[19:51:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !info
[19:52:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 @info
[19:52:15] <wm-bot>	 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/dump/%23semantic-mediawiki.htm
[19:52:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !e Maps
[19:52:43] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps
[19:53:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !help is semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$1
[19:53:33] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[19:53:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !help foo
[19:53:39] <wm-bot>	 semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:foo
[19:53:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 daah
[19:53:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !rm help
[19:53:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !del help
[19:54:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !help del
[19:54:28] <wm-bot>	 Successfully removed help
[19:54:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !help is http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$1
[19:54:47] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[19:55:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !p is http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/$1
[19:55:04] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[19:55:23] <Ulfr>	 Hum. I seem to have hit a wall. What must I do to get past the list-item object? http://www.wikidoc.org/api.php?action=ask&q=[[SubCategory::Pharmacology]]&po=Answer|Right%20Answer|Prompt|Explanation&format=xml
[19:55:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr: get past?
[19:56:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr: do you mean "get more results"?
[19:56:10] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Apparently there only is one
[19:56:13] <Ulfr>	 No, go deeper into the result
[19:56:23] <Ulfr>	 Like, I can get here: data.ask.results.items
[19:56:28] <Ulfr>	 but I can't figure out what the key is to sneak past
[19:56:31] <Ulfr>	 is it .0?
[19:57:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ahh, evil xml hurts my brain
[19:57:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 http://www.wikidoc.org/api.php?action=ask&q=[[SubCategory::Pharmacology]]&po=Answer|Right%20Answer|Prompt|Explanation&format=jsonfm
[19:57:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "What ever is introduced in this commit makes subobjects disappear for SQLStore2, I have not tested S..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28051
[19:58:17] <Ulfr>	 Thank you so much
[19:58:22] <Ulfr>	 I had no idea how to do that
[19:58:33] <Ulfr>	 was working off of that xml and non friendly json
[19:58:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 heh :)
[20:01:09] <Ulfr>	 still struggling a bit, what would the object notation be to get at one of my answers?
[20:01:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !nyan is ~[,,_,,]:3
[20:01:50] <wm-bot>	 Key was added
[20:02:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Shouldn't not be submitted until Change Ie7207e44 is fixed." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28052
[20:02:51] <Ulfr>	 I have data.ask.results.items.properties.answer am I close?
[20:03:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah
[20:03:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ask.results.items.properties.answer will give you an array
[20:03:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You can just loop over that
[20:03:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Or get the first element with ask.results.items.properties.answer[0]
[20:03:39] <Ulfr>	 [16:03:16.540] TypeError: data.ask.results.items.properties is undefined @ Web Console:10
[20:05:15] <Ulfr>	 what format should I be getting results in? json?
[20:08:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah
[20:08:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 If you're getting it in JavaScript, definitly
[20:09:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 But if you are writing a general handler for such queries
[20:09:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And the result can be empy
[20:09:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You will need to add checks to see if the elements exist
[20:09:53] <Ulfr>	 they're mandatory in forms, so I'm not overly concerned
[20:10:12] <Ulfr>	 just trying to figure out how to access my results at the moment. eventually it'll be a piece of software for taking exams
[20:10:40] <Ulfr>	 does the square bracket to the right of items change the syntax at all?
[20:11:24] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Oh, sure it does
[20:11:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ask.results.items[0].properties.answer
[20:11:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Since items is an array
[20:11:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You probably just want to loop over it
[20:12:20] <Ulfr>	 I owe you a beer sir. Or a soda if you don't drink :D
[20:18:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Oh wait what
[20:18:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 That is the AskAPI extension
[20:18:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 heh, I did not even notice that
[20:18:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr: you might want to upgrade your SMW
[20:19:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 The last release has that API built-in
[20:19:16] * Ulfr  has a PTSD attack at the mention of the word upgrade

[20:19:17] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And the structure there is slightly different
[20:19:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 It has continuation support and some other stuff the extension does not have
[20:19:54] <Ulfr>	 I probably will tonight
[20:19:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Not to mention, it uses SMWs own serialization, so is consistent with the current JSON format
[20:20:12] <Ulfr>	 Yeah, sounds like a good idea before I'm balls deep in query code
[20:20:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah
[20:20:26] <Ulfr>	 but I just made the upgrade from 1.18 to 1.19.2 and I haven't stopped regretting it
[20:20:41] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Beware that you will need to remove this extension when upgrading though, else you'll get a name conflict
[20:20:54] <Ulfr>	 What, the api one?
[20:21:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah
[20:21:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Really, brakage between MW 1.18 and 1.19???
[20:21:15] <Ulfr>	 Oh my dear sweet jesus
[20:21:24] <Ulfr>	 CentOS decided PCRE just didn't need to work right
[20:21:43] <Ulfr>	 couldn't get it functional at all with a newer version of apache
[20:21:59] <Ulfr>	 wound up pulling a 25 hour workday migrating my frontends to ubuntu for better support
[20:22:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr: actually thinking about it, you probably really want a more recent SMW if you are using MW 1.19.x. Some of your problems might be caused by that
[20:22:38] <Ulfr>	 STILL debugging some stuff with my load balancers and proxies
[20:24:39] <Ulfr>	 JeroenDeDauw: I'll definitely upgrade it tonight when there are fewer users on
[20:26:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr: right
[20:26:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You ought to be able to get latest master, but can also just go for the latest rel (1.7.1)
[20:26:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Will need to also up Validator in case of the former
[20:36:52] <Ulfr>	 Can do. You wouldn't happen to know of any limitations on how hard I can hammer on the API, would you?
[20:46:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Reassign context for add method and deleted outdated methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28138
[20:47:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Consolidate outdated methods used in connection with smw.util.tooltip" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28139
[20:48:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Use embed image instead" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28141
[20:51:25] <Ulfr>	 JeroenDeDauw: ^ Promise it's my last question! tyvm again btw :P
[21:00:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28138
[21:00:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28139
[21:02:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28141
[21:48:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add user prefs intro for SRF" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26929
[21:51:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26929
[22:13:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix escaping issue for spinner div" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28160
[22:16:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28160
[23:02:16] <voldial>	 We have a form that produces a list of checkboxes next to categories (using the category tree extension), the form code looks like {{{field|Categories|input type=categories|top category=Top Category|hideroot=on|depth=1}}} Now I would like to do the same thing, but with a list of pages, so for example have a checkbox next to every page in a category and then feed that to #arraymap, but I dont see how to do this... I keep reading over http://ww
[23:02:17] <voldial>	 w.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#Allowed_input_types_for_data_types and trying stuff, but no luck so far. Is this possible? How do I specify the list of pages to enumerate on the form?
[23:13:59] <voldial>	 Is there any way to do this without "allows values"? I am almost thinking I need to create a category _per page_ that I want to be able to select on the form....
[23:18:20] <Yaron>	 voldial - you can use "values from category".
[23:21:17] <voldial>	 Yaron, hm. that's for autocomplete... and I just want to list them with checkboxes... but you know that... so maybe it will work anyway... I'll go try it. Thanks!
[23:22:00] <Yaron>	 voldial - you can do it with checkboxes, too.
[23:23:48] <voldial>	 Awesome. working on it. I'll try to make that clear on the help page once I figure it out (I made a smw.com account ;-).
[23:26:02] <voldial>	 This software rocks.
[23:26:03] * voldial  happy