[00:07:16] Hello!! Does anyone know why, when using SMW with Virtuoso, the URIs that get stored have some chars changed? For example, ":" changes for "-3A" and "í" changes for "-C3-BA". I read that it may be because this chars can be problematic in XML, but I dont think they could be problematic in Virtuoso. Is there any way to change it? Any clue is welcomed. [13:47:30] * JeroenDeDauw realized he does not know how to query for subobjects after reading mail on list :| [13:47:35] Yaron: do you know? [13:47:57] I thought there was a link to the parent page with some specifial propery by default [13:48:07] Ofc you can always create one [13:48:14] But that'd be silly if it's alreayd there [13:48:43] Guess we need some querying docs linked from http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Subobject [15:07:09] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "addressed patchSet1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22723 [15:07:09] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "patch set 1 comments addressed" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22724 [15:07:09] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "patch set 1 comments addressed" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22725 [15:07:09] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "addressed patchSet1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22726 [15:07:10] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "jQuery DataTables" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22064 [15:08:57] Change abandoned: Mtyeh411; "dupe" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22723 [15:09:11] Change abandoned: Mtyeh411; "dupe" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22724 [15:09:22] Change abandoned: Mtyeh411; "dupe" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22725 [15:09:31] Change abandoned: Mtyeh411; "dupe" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22726 [15:12:26] Change abandoned: Mtyeh411; "wrong commit" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22064 [15:24:21] JeroenDeDauw - sorry, I just saw this now. [15:24:55] Yes - by default, every page is connected to a subobject via the "Has subobject" property. [15:25:49] It's recommended (at least, by me :) ), though, to always add a custom property to the #suboject call, so that the the subobject points back to the main page, via {{PAGENAME}}. [15:26:37] That way, you could either query on "[[-Has subobject::Some page]]", or something like "[[Is part of recipe::Some page]]". [15:29:59] [[-Has subobject::Some page]] means "all objects that are pointed to by 'Has subobject' from object 'Some page'" right? [15:31:23] JeroenDeDauw - yeah. [15:32:10] Yaron: would be great if we had some docs on querying subobjects and SIOs on the SMW wiki... [15:32:37] That's true, I guess... though, at least for SIO, there's not much to it. [15:33:23] And, as I said, I think it always makes sense to add that property call to #subobject, pointing back to the page, so that it works more like #set_internal. [15:34:02] The problem with "Has subobject", besides just the fact that it's awkward, is that there's nothing "semantic" about it. [15:34:24] It doesn't indicate the relationship. [15:35:14] That's what setting properties is for [15:35:20] By default pages also have no relation [15:35:25] And subobjects are basically the same [15:37:04] JeroenDeDauw - right... so maybe "Has subobject" shouldn't have been used at all? [16:02:28] Change restored: Mtyeh411; "oops...wanted to abandon the patch set, not the entire change" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22064 [16:02:44] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "jQuery DataTables" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22064 [16:04:21] Yaron: what's the harm done? [16:04:51] Just that it could lead to bad habits, if people rely on "Has subobject". [16:05:51] New patchset: Mtyeh411; "jQuery DataTables" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22064 [16:25:34] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "kill duplicate assignment" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (valuehandler) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22730 [16:25:34] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Replacing parsing and validation code in ParameterDefinition classes with equivalent ValueParser and ValueValidator classes" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (valuehandler) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22731 [16:35:41] Yaron: how would that be bad? If you can use it for your usecase, then why not use it? [16:36:25] JeroenDeDauw - I can't think of a use case where that would be an ideal choice. [16:36:37] I would think it's always better to use a custom property. [16:45:34] Yaron: then do so... [16:45:50] Having a common one will still allow you to do stuff such as finding where there are a lot of subobjects [16:46:10] JeroenDeDauw - I assume you don't mind adding "goto" to every programming language, either? :) [16:47:11] Yaron: you mad? https://xkcd.com/292/ [16:47:12] "goto" rules! I use it all the time! [16:48:14] I'm not fully sure I understand that cartoon, but it's funny... [16:48:41] Saruman - nice! Hey, I've used it too... [22:50:30] does anyone have experience with using the triple store connector with smw 1.7.1? [22:50:39] any issues with this? [23:02:19] everytime i try to run the startup command ./start-triplestore.sh jena console it gets killed... [23:02:34] usely when it tries to read the namespaces [23:02:42] usually* [23:03:03] but sometimes it gets past that and gets killed somewhere else [23:07:26] ... and can't really see anything issues in the debug logs [23:10:04] ... oh, maybe a memory issue..