[03:15:01] <bonsaikitten>	 new record
[03:15:16] <bonsaikitten>	 41986 queries, page render time 117 seconds
[03:21:10] <bonsaikitten>	 nischayn22: found a "repeated" query -  SELECT /* SMWSQLStore2::getSMWPageIDandSort Patrick.lauer */ smw_id,smw_iw,smw_sortkey FROM `smw_ids` WHERE smw_title='P078272' AND smw_namespace='0' AND (smw_iw='' OR smw_iw=':smw-redi') AND smw_subobject='' LIMIT 1
[03:21:22] <bonsaikitten>	 that exact query is about 10 times in a row in the log
[06:16:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add JSON class for better public access" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16644
[06:58:06] <samwilson1>	 morning all
[07:35:59] <Saruman>	 good moaning
[08:14:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add source auto default" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16720
[08:28:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Jeroen, I tried to work around this issue but in the end I needed a method that sets the default as ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16720
[11:13:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of Property count" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16111
[12:13:32] <nischayn22>	 bonsaikitten: that shouldn't happen, we are caching results of such queries, would be nice if you could make a bug report of that, with the log attached
[12:16:20] <bonsaikitten>	 nischayn22: ok :)
[12:16:34] <nischayn22>	 bonsaikitten: and please cc me :)
[12:41:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16111
[13:12:58] <Ezo291>	 Is it common to use the MySQL database SMW build up to use in other sccripts, outside mediawiki?
[13:27:30] <Yaron>	 Ezo291 - not really, unless you have a limit on the number of databases you can have.
[13:28:05] <Yaron>	 Oh, wait... never mind. SMW doesn't create a database, it just adds tables to the MW database.
[13:28:58] <Ezo291>	 Yaron, indeed SMW has prefixed tables in the mediawiki table
[13:29:15] <Ezo291>	 Although i wanted to start a new project, using SMW's data
[13:29:29] <Yaron>	 Oh, I see. No, that's not common at all.
[13:29:42] <Ezo291>	 I could export all the data i require and then import it again
[13:30:15] <Yaron>	 It depends on what you want to do.
[13:30:27] <Ezo291>	 But qury on the original database seems more efficient/flexible. I don't know how to build up those queries yet, though.
[13:31:02] <Ezo291>	 Using format=debug helps a bit, but does not show the creation of temp. tables.
[14:10:11] <novacellus>	 hi there, working on the SIO compound queries I've noticed the rather strange (or maybe it's conceived as such) behaviour when using custom namespaces
[14:14:27] <novacellus>	 let's say I have pages x:A; y:A; z:A, each having a set of SIO defined. Let's now query those SIO's (compund_query) and put the results on the map according to their coordinates.
[14:17:36] <novacellus>	 Such a query results in displaying only partial results: as SIO's names are based on its page name (A#1, A#2, A#3 etc.), compound_query displays only those SIO of which names are unique
[14:19:22] <Yaron>	 novacellus - oh, that sounds like a bug.
[14:19:25] <novacellus>	 Is there any workaround for this behaviour? Particularly, is it possible to name SIOs according to {{FULLPAGENAME}} rather than {{PAGENAME}} pattern?  Thanks in advance! Test page: http://scriptores.pl/test/index.php/Depost
[14:19:34] <Yaron>	 SIO names are supposed to include the namespace as well.
[14:20:03] <Yaron>	 novacellus - if possible, could you file a bug for that on bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
[14:20:33] <novacellus>	 of course, I'll try to do this!
[14:38:40] <novacellus>	 here you are: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38711 . As it's my 1st bug report, I hope it would help you!
[14:50:23] <caimlas>	 hi folks
[14:50:43] <caimlas>	 does anyone here use Semantic MediaWiki Plus?
[14:51:14] <caimlas>	 the project's DNS is down and I can't seem to find it for download (or installation instructions).
[14:59:45] <caimlas>	 kim_bruning, *wave*
[15:00:01] * kim_bruning  waves back

[15:00:14] <kim_bruning>	 "ECHO"     "echo"    "e  c   h o"
[15:00:32] * kim_bruning  pokes Yaron, Nikerabbit , et al

[15:00:49] <Yaron>	 Oh, SMW+?
[15:01:00] <kim_bruning>	 Ha! that was the trick
[15:01:03] * kim_bruning  bows to caimlas 

[15:01:14] <caimlas>	 Hi Yaron. Yes, SMW+
[15:01:21] <Yaron>	 The status of SMW+ depends on whom you ask.
[15:01:36] <Yaron>	 But its website is back up - it's now at smwplus.net, instead of smwplus.com.
[15:01:41] <caimlas>	 I've been tasked with making it work, but acquiring it in a useable form has been a challenge. :)
[15:01:54] <Yaron>	 Well, good luck with both of those. :)
[15:01:58] <caimlas>	 Yaron, what's the story there?
[15:02:06] <Yaron>	 What do you mean by that?
[15:02:09] <Nikerabbit>	 wh me?
[15:02:12] <caimlas>	 company closed/ended the 'product' and the community forked?
[15:02:49] <Yaron>	 caimlas - no, Ontoprise went bankrupt, yes, but they sort of split into two separate companies, Semafora and DIQA.
[15:03:05] <Yaron>	 And Vulcan is also involved.
[15:03:19] <Yaron>	 I don't know which of those three companies is now in charge of SMW+.
[15:03:54] <Yaron>	 I don't believe there have been any community forks, except for a fork of the HaloACL/ACL extension that has documentation in Russian only.
[15:04:04] <caimlas>	 heh
[15:04:29] <caimlas>	 Yaron, is it OK if I come back to you throughout the day(s) and ask questions? You appear to know a lot about it. :)
[15:04:46] <Yaron>	 caimlas - sure, although I think that's pretty much what I know. :)
[15:05:00] <caimlas>	 ah
[15:05:31] <caimlas>	 I saw somewhere that Halo Dev Terminal (or something like that) was recommended for installing SMW+ extensions, but I'm not seeing the same information now. any idea on that? :)
[15:05:43] <Yaron>	 Never heard of that one.
[15:05:59] <Yaron>	 They do have the installer thing, but I thought that was just called the Installer or something.
[15:06:52] <caimlas>	 Yaron, I already have a SMW install. Is SMW+ an extension 'pack' or is it more of a fork?
[15:07:07] <Yaron>	 I think it's more of a fork.
[15:07:46] <Yaron>	 It requires older versions of MediaWiki and SMW, and I think modifications to MediaWiki on top of that. (Maybe to SMW as well.)
[15:09:03] <caimlas>	 gah! they only have the windows installer available for download.
[15:09:52] <caimlas>	 well, nuts. I was really hoping to use some of these extensions (specifically the 'online help' and wysiwyg editor) to help speed adoption within my company
[15:10:36] <Yaron>	 Yeah, the WYSIWYG extension is pretty cool.
[15:11:21] <Yaron>	 I'm looking forward to the MediaWiki VisualEditor, which supposedly will be ready in about six months: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor
[15:12:42] <caimlas>	 Yaron, hmm so it doesn't work yet, in other words? :)
[15:13:02] <Yaron>	 Right, it's under development.
[15:13:18] <caimlas>	 Yaron, looks like this "Halo" variant is maintained by the defunct ontoprise: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Halo_Extension - did you say it forked? where should I look for it?
[15:13:44] <caimlas>	 it = the fork
[15:13:53] <Yaron>	 No, Halo didn't fork - HaloACL, aka ACL, did - the SMW+ people seemed to like renaming extensions a lot.
[15:14:07] * kim_bruning  goes and looks up how to get smw to output csv again

[15:14:30] <Yaron>	 Anyway, any place where it still says "Ontoprise" just means that the documentation hasn't been updated yet.
[15:14:30] <caimlas>	 yeah that makes things fun.
[15:14:43] <caimlas>	 right.
[15:14:52] <caimlas>	 kinda hard to figure out how to use something if there's no documentation. ;)
[15:15:08] * caimlas  grumbles about site cross-linking for important info

[15:15:13] <Yaron>	 I would have to agree with that, yes.
[15:15:38] <kim_bruning>	 "if it ain't documented, it didn't happen"
[15:15:55] <caimlas>	 Yaron, so would you say "WYSIWIG editor" is the best choice for something of that type, for the time being?
[15:16:09] <caimlas>	 kim_bruning, I think it's safe to say most of my coworkers have never done anything, then.
[15:16:31] <Yaron>	 caimlas - well, personally, I think wiki syntax isn't that complex, so I may be the wrong person to ask.
[15:16:39] <kim_bruning>	 caimlas, at least 1 editor b0rks when used with smw
[15:16:45] <Yaron>	 I mean, I like editing stuff directly.
[15:17:10] <caimlas>	 I'll amend that hypothesis with an axillary, "if your manager is too much of an idiot to understand what you wrote, it didn't happen either"
[15:17:21] <Yaron>	 All of the current WYSIWYG editors have problems editing certain kinds of wiki text, including "WYSIWYG".
[15:17:23] <kim_bruning>	 that would be FCKeditor
[15:17:32] <kim_bruning>	 which really FCKs up smw
[15:17:36] <caimlas>	 Yaron, I'm in the same boat at you
[15:17:38] <caimlas>	 kim_bruning, good to know.
[15:18:17] <kim_bruning>	 I need to switch to something else there, I think
[15:19:00] <caimlas>	 Yaron, any general pointers? I'm looking for something that people who have never wiki'd before can easily use smw's semantic model effectively w/o too much training
[15:19:14] <Yaron>	 Okay... do you know about Semantic Forms?
[15:20:58] <caimlas>	 no, but I'll look at it . ;)
[15:22:04] <caimlas>	 Yaron, interesting. I'm guessing forms will all need to be pre-defined by category and the like...
[15:22:32] <Yaron>	 caimlas - yeah, there would need to be a different form for each page type, if that's what you mean.
[15:22:47] <caimlas>	 sure. :)
[15:22:56] <caimlas>	 I'm pretty green for mediawiki tbh
[15:23:13] <caimlas>	 just done a lot of parent/daughter nested type pages in the past
[15:23:25] <caimlas>	 ie something which produces printable material fairly easily but that's where it stops
[15:24:20] <Yaron>	 Oh, okay - well, printing is a whole other story.
[15:25:01] <caimlas>	 yeah. btdt
[15:25:09] <caimlas>	 don't really care to go back to that
[15:25:50] <caimlas>	 Yaron, thank you, you have been most helpful. a testament to your tribe.
[15:25:55] <caimlas>	 i'm going to mess with this now.
[15:26:53] <Yaron>	 Um, cool.
[15:28:11] <caimlas>	 :)
[16:19:32] <kim_bruning>	 remind me, is there a way to export an SMW query as CSV?
[16:19:35] * kim_bruning  scratches head

[16:19:48] <kim_bruning>	 (results of an SMW query as CSV rather)
[16:20:49] <kim_bruning>	 ask_API?
[16:20:52] * kim_bruning  scratches head

[16:23:48] <kim_bruning>	 hmm...
[16:24:21] * kim_bruning  pokes yaron

[16:24:33] <kim_bruning>	 (poor yaron, getting poked all the time)
[16:24:48] <Yaron>	 kim_bruning - yeah, add "format=csv".
[16:25:05] <kim_bruning>	 duh
[16:25:21] <kim_bruning>	 on plain SMW, or do I need the ask API?
[16:25:31] <kim_bruning>	 errr, prolly the latter
[16:26:28] <kim_bruning>	 SMW modules are not yet in the new GIT?
[16:41:41] <Yaron>	 kim_bruning - you could use it, but you don't need it.
[16:42:05] <Yaron>	 The code for that is in Git (which is not an acronym), yes.
[17:36:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Hi - not to drag this out too much longer, but why not make the descriptions a smaller font? I think..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16634
[17:56:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Mm... but it is the standard size as it was before and since I'm not fond of having another discussi..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16634
[18:02:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Better conc handling" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16753
[18:26:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 kim_bruning: you can indeed both Special:Ask and the API for obtaining CSV results - in both cases the thing to add is format=csv
[18:33:55] <daNASCAT>	 Hi, I'm having issues with the Show With Select code
[18:34:04] <daNASCAT>	 http://pastebin.com/TfwbcP2w <- Here is the code I'm using in the form
[18:34:22] <daNASCAT>	 But when I pull up the form, all I have for the MOVtype field is the radio button "none"
[18:34:45] <kim_bruning>	 JeroenDeDauw, Thanks :-)
[18:40:01] <daNASCAT>	 NVM got it, silly me
[19:19:55] <Joshibaer>	 einer an den tasten
[19:20:58] <Joshibaer>	 ich habe hiermit ein Problem http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/ErzEngel/Dicker_Engel/Kalender
[19:33:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added i18n message, improved HTML layout of Special:CreateClass" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16762
[19:34:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16762
[20:21:53] <daNASCAT>	 Hi, is "default=" supposed to work in Semantic Forms if 'show on select' is also part of the field?
[20:43:15] <Amgine>	 <pokes JeroenDeDauw as default>^\
[20:46:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Well, I don't know
[20:46:58] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I just write code, that doesn't mean I know how to use the functionality :D
[20:48:13] <Amgine>	 <grins>
[21:21:44] <Yaron>	 daNASCAT - yeah, it's supposed to.
[21:33:22] <daNASCAT>	 Yaron, Hmm, it's defaulting to the null value in both radiobutton and dropdown for me
[21:33:46] <Yaron>	 daNASCAT - okay, that's probably a bug.
[21:34:15] <daNASCAT>	 Oi, wait.
[21:34:55] <daNASCAT>	 Okay, cool it does work, my bot made a typo and thus the null value was considered the defined value.
[21:34:59] <daNASCAT>	 Sorry for the false alarm!
[21:39:52] <Yaron>	 Oh, great!
[21:39:59] <Yaron>	 One less thing to have to deal with. :)
[22:41:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added/improved tests, moved them into a NS, updated rel notes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16786
[22:42:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16787
[22:42:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16786
[22:42:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16787