[02:00:46] Naleksuh, yeah, `plainlinks` is the class, heh. Depending on the link, if it's used frequently, you may want to request an interwiki administrator add an interwiki prefix for you. If you have at least 500 edits on the wiki, you could also hold a local election for local `interwiki-admin` [02:01:13] .mhca Naleksuh [02:01:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Naleksuh [02:01:41] dmehus : Actually the link is to the miraheze wiki, but we're trying to link to a direct file download which requires an external link [02:02:20] Naleksuh, ah, okay, what about a regular interwiki link, not a pseudo-interwiki link? [02:02:37] "regular interwiki link" [02:02:38] ? [02:02:55] like in Special:Interwiki, not `[[mh:subdomain:page name]]` [02:03:30] We need to link to direct files [02:03:32] Like for example https://static.miraheze.org/fortressblastwiki/8/84/Fortress-Blast-4.3.zip [02:05:01] Naleksuh, oh, right, yeah, that makes sense [02:05:27] @Naleksuh: I can make our mh interwiki links support that probably, if you want (direct interwiki linking to static files)? It'll take some time though, as I'm quite busy at the moment. [02:05:53] So we wouldnt need to hardcode stuff like the /8/84? [02:05:55] That'd be great [02:08:00] @Naleksuh: Ideally, no, I can possibly (I emphasise possibly) make it work like [[mh:static:dbname:filename]] work directly without the /8/84 stuff though I'm not 100% certain if I can work that in a interwiki fashion. [02:08:31] We were using [[File:name.jpg]] [02:08:36] But that just takes you to the page for the file [02:08:41] And you still have to click a second link to dowload [02:08:57] So it's better if instead its like [[realfile:name.jpg]] [02:09:39] Naleksuh: That might be possible also, I may do a whole other extension for that as it'd be useful for non-miraheze wikis also. [02:10:32] But I'm quite busy with other stuff right now, I have some other work to do before I can get to that. [02:10:55] dmehus: ^ you might be interested in the ideas mentioned above also. [02:20:11] Universal_Omega, meh I'd rather not. I think MirahezeMagic pseudo-interwiki is good enough and it's pretty hacky, so I'd rather encourage users to use real interwiki [02:20:52] wait, you could do this with interwiki already [02:21:04] dmehus: no you can't [02:21:06] with `[[interwikiprefix:Media:Filename.zip]]` [02:21:27] dmehus: that won't take you to the static url. [02:21:41] Only to file description page [02:22:06] Universal_Omega, well we could set up an interwiki prefix for `https://static.miraheze.org/$1` [02:22:07] [ 404 Not Found ] - static.miraheze.org [02:22:35] dmehus: but then you have to enter the digits. /8/84 for example. [02:22:44] I'm saying to make it so you don't have to do that. [02:23:27] Universal_Omega, yeah, maybe as a whole new extension, but not part of MirahezeMagic, I think. That's a hacky pseudo-interwiki anyway, and we shouldn't be expanding its use [02:24:01] or use external links with "plainlinks" [02:24:14] dmehus: that's what I'm saying...to do a whole new extension, not MirahezeMagic. [02:25:25] Universal_Omega, oh ok, that could be cool then [02:27:47] what's the topic? :) [02:28:04] dmehus: I also mean to remove our mirahezemagic interwiki links and to create a new extension that utilises/extends on the core interwiki feature to use for our mh: interwiki links altogether, so it isn't so hacked, and also the current way can cause performance issues actually, I think. [02:28:56] @Lake: interwiki links. (The `mh:` global ones. [02:29:00] ) [02:30:16] Oh, question. [02:30:16] Umbire: 2021-03-23 - 15:26:05UTC tell Umbire , yeah, I've meant to try setting up Jitsi actually. For video calls, I do tend to prefer Google Meet, but yeah, I really should try Jitsi [02:30:36] dmehus: Lemme know if you or someone else can help me/us figure that out [02:30:54] But anyhow the question: I was just made aware of "instant Commons", you guys have that? [02:31:59] is that the thing that makes possible to use files from Wikimedia Commons directly? [02:32:27] Yahuh [02:32:46] I use only on a few templates [02:33:14] mostly for icons that FontAwesome does not support for free/icons to be placed in the background of an element [02:33:14] I see [02:33:28] Guide on how to use it? [02:34:11] well, I just literally type the same name of the file found in WM Commons and it shows up, lol [02:35:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/824471398982090782/unknown.png [02:35:13] Ah, I see. [02:35:45] (but if you upload a file with the same name, your file overrides the one in commons) [02:36:01] Hmhmmmmmmm [02:36:38] Thank you [02:36:47] np [04:02:29] Hi [04:02:33] Universal_Omega [04:03:09] Hi Firestar! [04:03:24] Hi! How do you get voiced here [04:03:45] Firestar: system administrators or Stewards are voiced here. [04:03:50] Oh [04:04:22] Now let's chat before the bots start screaming [04:04:40] Firestar: bots aren't in this channel anymore. [04:04:46] Phew [04:04:50] What happened [04:04:58] It got too annoying? [04:05:00] Firestar: They moved to #miraheze-sre. [04:05:05] oh [04:05:11] PHEWPHEW [04:05:32] Flood the channel and see what ChanServ does /s [04:05:46] Does it do anything? [04:05:59] I'm wondering why ppl use IRC instead of Discord [04:06:24] Preference. [04:06:25] * Umbire shrugs [04:06:40] Firestar: I only use IRC now, not Discord, except for a couple servers there (2) because of to much drama on Discord. [04:07:04] Wdym by "too much drama?" [04:07:06] Raids? [04:07:23] I'm guessing drama of the interpersonal variety. [04:07:31] Which is by no means exclusive, but I still get it. [04:07:36] Firestar: no, just drama period, but yeah that includes raids, arguments, etc... [04:07:47] You feel sad [04:08:04] IRC is just less of that, but still can happen sometimes. [04:08:05] Majavah Are you the owner of MajavahBot on WP? [04:08:14] I can raid the channel now /j [04:55:15] universal_omega good because IRC > Discord [04:55:22] Discord is bad [04:59:32] zzzzzzzzzzz [04:59:58] 😴 [05:06:07] Naleksuh: yeah, agreed, IRC is better than Discord. [05:06:16] Also Discord just sucks in general [05:07:53] Naleksuh: yeah, sorta I guess, though I do like that I don't get disconnected every 6 hours there, unless I have an IRC window opened 24/7 on PC, and that all messages save, but other then that, yeah, IRC is better. [05:08:15] That depends on the client you're using, not something with IRC itself [05:08:23] But hey, with Dicsord, there's only one client, and it's nonfree [05:08:30] Discord has its perks [05:08:42] ...also it's totally free what [05:08:51] Unless you're talking about Nitro but that's optional as all hell [05:09:04] It sucks for other reasons, gladly granted [05:09:16] Naleksuh: True, I guess, though all clients eventually disconnect you if Freenode has an outage in this case, or other servers in other cases. [05:09:31] But overall I still like IRC better. [05:10:30] Umbire: totally agree there. Though in my own opinion IRC has more perks than Discord does. And IRC is also free...depending on client. [05:10:45] umbire : I meant free as in speech [05:10:49] The client is entirely closed source [05:10:57] And ONE company has a monopoly on how you can connect to the servers [05:11:06] Pretty important distinction to make there. [05:13:11] "nonfree" does generally mean that [05:20:36] * Majavah complains about people asking obvious questions and then leaving before they can be answered [05:22:35] I mean "nonfree" isn't a term I see used often, so... [05:22:40] Reference pools and all. [10:20:18] Hello stej! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [10:21:43] Hey folks, I used to have an internal wiki hosted on miraheze. I haven't logged in for a few months and now I can't find it anymore. Is there a way to retrieve the wiki? [10:22:46] Currently, I have a 404 with the message "We couldn't find the wiki you were looking for on our servers." [10:23:32] Could you please help me how to revive it or at least get the data dump? [10:23:56] What was your wiki subdomain? [10:24:55] https://gulpie.miraheze.org/wiki/ [10:24:56] [ Wiki not Found ] - gulpie.miraheze.org [10:26:58] Reception123 might have a backup. [10:27:49] Reception123, can you please help? [10:36:17] Universal_Omega, so, it's possible to revive it from the backup? [10:49:21] stej: I do have a backup :) [10:49:34] please request a wiki again via https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWiki [10:49:35] [ Request a wiki - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [10:49:49] Reception123, thanks for saving my life! [10:50:25] stej: no problem. If you're not going to edit your wiki much, you might want to look into https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormancy_Policy#Exemptions_from_the_Dormancy_Policy [10:50:26] [ Dormancy Policy - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [10:54:01] Reception123, just placed a request for the wiki. Will definitely look into the exemptions. [10:54:53] Thank you very much, Reception :) [10:55:03] you're welcome :) [10:55:58] how long does the process usually take to revive it? [10:56:14] stej: the first wiki was requested by 'Udsharma', how come this is a different username? [10:57:02] udsharma was one of our ex employees. I changed the admin rights to my account after that [10:57:43] would you need anything from him or his account? [10:58:10] stej: were you a member of the wiki with your own account? [10:58:17] yes [11:00:24] I've been able to confirm that with the XML, so it's good to go then :) [11:01:33] perfecto! [11:04:24] stej: the wiki is importing now, though do note that it will only be content and unfortunately things like logs/etc. will not be available [11:05:22] gosh..I'm just happy I could get it back up! [11:10:57] stej: it's done now [11:30:33] Reception123: thanks a ton! Everything looks great. Except, images seem to be missing or from some other account. not super important. but, just wanted to let you know [11:31:01] stej: great :) and yeah, unfortunately images are not included either [11:31:14] other than the exemption, you can also make personal backups of your wiki via Special:DataDumpo [11:31:16] *DataDump [11:33:25] the first thing I'm gonna do now is get that datadumpo :D [11:35:23] stej: sorry for that, I made a typo, it's Special:DataDump (no "o" at the end) [11:35:31] and if you upload images to your wiki again, you can also back those up using it [11:39:30] haha..datadumpo sounds fun too [11:40:06] thank you for everything, reception. I owe you one! [11:40:33] you're welcome again :) [11:43:44] https://giphy.com/gifs/memecandy-L1Wh7AY9XeZ8Yi7XXJ [11:43:44] [ You The Man GIF by memecandy - Find & Share on GIPHY ] - giphy.com [13:30:26] Reception123: thanks for the upstream :) [13:30:32] I also confirmed this happens outside of MH [23:36:46] Universal_Omega: is it "normal" to be able to turn on/off some specific settings on namespaces on a wiki I never even visited before? [23:38:05] @Lake: uhh, definitely not normal, no. [23:38:13] One second. Looking. [23:39:15] someone sent a link asking something about namespace, I just clicked and I noticed these fields aren't disabled [23:39:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435711390544560128/824789555814465546/unknown.png [23:40:30] Universal_Omega, Lake's confirmed they're not able to submit any changes, but I just can't remember if ManageWiki/namespaces used to be greyed out for users without the `managewiki` user right or not