[00:41:58] is there a bug where a file can simply disappear without a trace? [00:44:49] Which file, @Lake? The reason I ask is because I know in #miraheze-sre-relay, there were some images or media on static, I think, that were deleted, but I don't know the full details on it [00:45:08] @paladox, could this be possibly related to that instance you and SPF|Cloud were working on? [00:45:16] according to a user, https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Binucleus_Thorned_Worm.png this file simply disappeared [00:45:17] [ File:Binucleus Thorned Worm.png - Sagan 4 Alpha Wiki ] - sagan4alpha.miraheze.org [00:45:21] and there's no even a deletion log [00:45:29] Hrm, strange [00:45:38] Strange then, because there doesn't seem to be a related upload log either [00:46:13] (and all pages of this wiki do not have the Last Edit paragraph at the footer, but I don't know if that's related and/or intended) [00:46:17] Oh, yeah, that's strange, too, Void, as there should still be the log entries if the actual image was deleted from static, right? [00:46:45] Yes, the worst that should happen is that the file simply doesn't display, but this is gone without a trace [00:46:51] are we absolutely sure it existed? [00:47:26] well, it has two pages linking to it [00:48:17] Could this have been an import from XML, which would import the file pages, but not the files? [00:48:24] XML? [00:48:44] If that were the case, there would still be a page there [00:48:46] XML is the format that page revisions are exported to, for importation to another wiki [00:48:50] just no file [00:49:05] Oh, I thought I was looking at a blank page [00:49:09] Let me look again [00:49:38] I'm thinking it's likely that there might be a title mismatch somewhere, because a file for https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Binucluse_Thorned_Worm.png does exist and may just be a typo [00:49:39] [ File:Binucluse Thorned Worm.png - Sagan 4 Alpha Wiki ] - sagan4alpha.miraheze.org [00:50:04] Ah, yeah, indeed, the page above doesn't exist, so yeah that could be the case [00:52:26] Hello Iamastupidhead! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [00:57:13] Hello Iamastupidhead26! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [01:05:02] Hello ForgottenAssword! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [01:15:48] ? [15:30:01] I had a query yesterday that MrJaroslavi k help me with. One thing that was not resolved. I am hoping to find a way to activate or substitute the functionality of the >Cite tool in the editor that I am fond of when editing on Wikipedia. It has popups that let you fill in the template details for a reference which is a great assistance to me when generating cited references. Is this a setting I can change or is it a add-on that [15:30:01] can be loaded. [15:34:07] do you mean the Popups extension? [15:37:13] I don't know what it is called. It provides an additional dropdown with cire web, cit book, cite journal and one other and then you can select one and fill in the fields and it inserts the populated for me. [15:37:48] cire > cite, cit > cite :-) [15:38:55] It shows up after the >Advanced, >Special characters >Help editor tools. [15:39:15] I will take a look, wait a second [15:39:26] I have the Cite extension enabled it was on by default [15:42:56] Manually generated and imported s are working as expected. [15:48:32] KalleMP: oh ok, I found it, it's a gadget [15:48:36] it's JS based [15:48:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RefToolbar [15:48:44] [WIKIPEDIA] Wikipedia:RefToolbar | "RefToolbar refers to a series of JavaScript/jQuery scripts that help editors add citation templates to articles. It works in conjunction with the MediaWiki extension WikiEditor. The Reftoolbar implementation is scattered across several scripts (see, for example, this, this or this prefix search). The..." [15:49:21] arghhh, looks complicated so far [15:52:24] I think installing this would be above my pay grade. [15:54:04] I don't know if it's all possible as well, because there's apparently a php file [15:54:11] RhinosF1 probably knows better [15:54:51] Ok, no big rush. The wiki page said visual editor has a different Cite tool. Is Visual editor available, I could learn to use that I expect. [15:55:50] VE is available as well, you can enable it on the extensions [15:58:06] It has a grey checkbox. Says wants templatedata extension. I selected Template Data and reloaded page, the VE checkbox is still grey. Odd.' [15:59:29] it may take a few minutes, because all the changes are cached if I'm not mistaken [15:59:41] :-) [16:00:03] Gadgets can be done by any admin I believe [16:02:39] If VE is inadequate for when I need to cite I will generate a support requests. Will have to figure out how to do that but any new skills are a learning curve. The missing Cite feature does seem to point to mostly non-academic use of MiraHeze so I may become an odd wiki amongst the mainstream there. [16:03:43] I don't think that gadget would be difficult to implement in any wiki (just like any gadget), but I don't know if you would have to adapt it [16:03:56] and there's a php file that I don't know if it's required [16:04:11] "toollabs:reftoolbar/lookup.php Provides the autofill capability used to auto-complete forms based on ISBN, DOI, and PMID values." [16:08:50] Thank you @Lake I will wait to test out Visual Editor and if that works I am satisfied. [16:10:40] np : ) [16:54:46] Hm.. i have error. "Error Lua in module „package.lua”, in line 80: module 'Dev:Quote' not found." [17:04:45] @KalleMP, it looks like [[MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js]] calls https://iw.toolforge.org/reftoolbar/lookup.php and https://iw.toolforge.org/reftoolbar/crossref.php, so as long as those *.php files are configured to work across domains (i.e., not just Wikimedia wikis), then it shouldn't be an issue. Otherwise, what you'd probably have to do is host those php files somewhere else. I wonder if one could even upload those php files to their [17:04:46] File: namespace, provided they allow *.php as a file extension in [[ManageWiki]]? If not, that might be something the MirahezeBots project could host on its bots1 or tools server. [17:06:30] Yeah... by default, sysop permissions can edit in MediaWiki namespace; however, interface-admin is required if editing the actual CSS or JS file in MediaWiki namespace. [19:31:34] Thanks, bye for now.