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[00:05:10] s/bp/np [00:05:10] dmehus meant to say: bleb, looking and np [00:05:19] BurningPrincess1, what's what? [00:05:35] Oh, rhought youy wanted me [00:05:42] oh lol [00:05:46] because of `bp` [00:05:54] nah, that was just a typo; see ^ [16:21:43] * blackwidowmovie0 greetings [16:29:42] Is there a way to find out all transcluded templates or links to pages from a set of pages? [16:31:57] * blackwidowmovie0 means on `templatewiki` [16:32:06] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Q4U1RKLO/ [16:49:56] blackwidowmovie0, what do you mean? You can use "Page Information" on any template to find a list of templates/modules/pages being called for in that template. You can also use Special:WhatLinksHere to find out what pages/templates transclude a given template. Additionally, you can use Special:AllPages, select "Template" or "Module" namespace to list all templates and modules, respectively, on that wiki [16:50:47] Special:WhatLinksHere is probably what you're after, as it also tells what links to each template [16:50:55] dmehus: I could do that, but I need a list of transcluded templates and linked pages on templatewiki for that list [17:49:33] Is there a mass delete extension? [17:49:39] Put in a list of pages to delete [17:50:49] for mw-admins, if there's a script you can run..... [17:51:02] blackwidowmovie0, There is, but it's not installed on Miraheze. You can request sysadmins run a `deleteBatch.php` maintenance script for you [17:51:21] dmehus: That would be great, if possible [17:51:27] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XaEzTRyC/ [17:51:33] which wiki? [17:51:45] I need those templates deleted on `wandavisionwiki` and `marveloustvshowepisodeswiki` [17:51:56] okay, and they exist on all those wikis? [17:52:14] dmehus: Yes [17:52:15] blackwidowmovie0, okay, I'll create a Phabricator task for you [17:52:17] WAIT [17:52:28] I need to delete 10 templates from that list [17:52:33] I'm just making the task. [17:52:37] ok [17:52:38] Okay. Post your updated list [17:52:43] and I'll add it to the task [17:55:10] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5w2dtche/ [17:55:15] dmehus: ^ [17:55:19] thanks, btw [17:55:33] blackwidowmovie0, np and doing [17:56:14] dmehus: Remove Template:SP from the list [17:56:31] and Template:Event [17:56:37] and Template:Episode [17:57:45] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UZ7QGg6n/ [17:57:52] dmehus: ^ finalized list [17:58:59] dmehus: Also take a look at bobbyandbandit's block appeal, just submitted, see #miraheze-feed-meta [17:58:59] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?diff=161806&oldid=161805&rcid=594651&diffmode=source [18:01:09] blackwidowmovie, Should be done [18:01:17] dmehus: Urgently see the above list [18:01:30] blackwidowmovie0, you don't have to ping me about RC feed changes :) [18:01:53] dmehus: Paste the above list onto p382 [18:02:07] you forgot to remove the above templates [18:02:14] sorry for being kind of picky [18:02:22] Those are just interwiki templates [18:03:50] !log reception@jobrunner3:~$ sudo -u www-data php /srv/mediawiki/w/maintenance/importDump.php --wiki voidlinuxwiki /home/reception/Void+Linux+Wiki-20201015234107.xml [18:04:20] whoops, it's so hard to get used to the new channel [18:04:52] Reception123: New channel? [18:05:55] dmehus: You there? [18:07:20] Hey Reception123 what kinda set up is the wiki farm side of things? The wikki m ally set up used symlinks I think [18:08:01] I saw a few ways a wiki farm can be set up here:@ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family and kinda wonder what one MH uses [18:08:01] [ Manual:Wiki family - MediaWiki ] - www.mediawiki.org [18:08:23] BurningPrincess1: we use CentralAuth :) [18:09:00] I was thinking using a simple set upm if did a farnm, but CentralAuth seems a good idea [18:09:12] Reception123: If possible, could you copy the below list onto Phab P382 [18:09:15] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0txUMYQa/ [18:09:26] dmehus didn't update [18:09:38] This set up: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Basic_principles [18:09:39] [ Manual:Wiki family - MediaWiki ] - www.mediawiki.org [18:09:42] please be patient, I'm sure Dmehus will take care of it when he has time. There is no urgency. [18:09:53] BurningPrincess1: yeah, we thought CA worked best for us [18:10:21] I think it might be too hard for me as a beignner [18:11:01] Reception123: Very well, I'd just like it done before a sysadmin sees the task and decides to run the script without the updated list [18:12:25] I set up wikis twice, once on Windows and once on Ubuntu GNU/Linux [18:12:36] blackwidowmovie0, I updated it, and it matches your latest list except it has 200 lines versus 199. I'm not going to look through a list of 200 names to remove one extra template [18:13:28] Windows one was unstable and broke tho [18:13:50] BurningPrincess1, I think ShoutWiki uses the shared DB method. CentralAuth has some drawbacks to be sure, but overall, I do think it is better [18:14:01] dmehus: I'll check the list [18:14:16] I personly would use the simple method if I did it for two wikis [18:14:27] blackwidowmovie0, I wouldn't worry about it. It's one template. You can just manually delete the template. :) [18:14:42] dmehus: You forgot Template:DS on line 64 [18:14:45] BurningPrincess1, oh for two wikis, yeah then I'd use the shared DB method likely [18:14:54] dmehus, my problem with shared DB would be what if something happens to it [18:14:59] blackwidowmovie0, you didn't say to remove that [18:15:23] That wouild be my ownly worry [18:15:35] dmehus: It was removed from the latest list, I believe, it's fine [18:15:55] BurningPrincess1, I think that's too much of a concern, though database size would potentially be a concern for a wiki farm, yess [18:15:58] I can manually re-add the template if you don't want to remove it from the list [18:16:14] dmehus, my wiki should be like 3GB max [18:16:17] the code is just `[[ds:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]` [18:16:19] blackwidowmovie0, okay, it'll be done in the next 24-48 hours when sysadmins have time [18:16:32] dmehus: Thanks [18:18:47] dmehus, would it be possale to make a template that scans "written by:XXXX" and add the name to the template? [18:22:51] blackwidowmovie0, np. [18:22:51] BurningPrincess1, that sounds more like the work for a bot, or mass editing using AutoWikiBrowser and/or Huggle, tbh [18:23:08] but I would say "likely no." [18:23:34] I would rather not have to template diffnt pages by hand that have diffant names on the pages [18:24:06] I know a Fandom wiki did one that uses username, but I think the name needs to be added by hand [18:24:58] Oh, I'm not sure then, BurningPrincess1. You'd probably need to ask someone else more experienced with advanced template coding than me. [18:25:12] Thank you [18:26:54] dmehus, {{Good job}} [18:29:05] ty [18:29:58] You deserve a barnstar [18:30:27] heh [18:33:46] dmehus, before you told me about namespaces I never thought much of the category: before category names [18:38:23] BurningPrincess1, oh, interesting. Well I'm glad to have helped you in that way then, heh. :) [18:39:43] Why do categories have their ownspace? [18:41:00] And hat is the "modules" namespcae for [18:41:34] module is for scripts written in the Lua programming that can be used in templates [18:41:54] Hm thanks [18:45:08] Categories have their own namespace mainly because they work a little differently than pages. For one thing, they don't have subpages by default. For another, pages are "included" within a category by adding that category to a given page, rather the typical "transclusion." As well, unless a specific php variable is set to `true`, changes in category membership don't appear in RecentChanges by default. So, there's lots of reasons why categories [18:45:08] need their own namespace [18:45:20] Thank you [18:45:26] np [18:45:53] I simpleled my categories system just to era and setting category [18:46:37] Okay, that sounds reasonable. You should also have a top-level category containing on those two categories, so you can browse the full hierarchy of your category tree [18:47:14] Yes, I did that [18:47:17] Typically top-level categories will be named `Category:Top`, `Category:Contents`, or `Category:Name of wiki` [18:47:24] BurningPrincess1, ah, great :) [18:47:31] I use "category: Content" [18:48:12] Also, you also shouldn't have category hard redirects, so if you move a category, it's best to move it without leaving a redirect and updating the member pages to the new category name [18:48:27] I dislike redicets anyway [18:48:33] me too :P [18:48:43] I consisder them clutter [18:49:18] If I wanted two pages with the same name, I woudl not use reictets, I would use A (setting1) , (A (setting2) [18:49:37] yeah, they can be, especially if over-used. Can be useful as shortcuts or from a less obvious synonym though [18:50:14] You might like soft redirects, which are technically pages, and require the user to click through to the target page [18:50:32] I rember a worldbuilding wiki with aboput 1/4 of the pages appeared to bve redictets [18:50:48] I'd recommend enabling the SoftRedirector extension before you create any soft redirects, though, or they won't appear in any later added SoftRedirectPages special page [18:50:54] wow [18:51:08] dmehus, soft redicts ould be usful with a large number of pages with the same name [18:51:21] ok [18:51:38] dmehus, Why do you dislike dislike redicets? [18:55:19] largely same reasons as you I think [18:56:04] I dislike too many categories as well [18:56:41] Like, its fine if a creepypasta is in "Rital" "ghosts" and "demon/devil" on a big wiki but not ranom meme categories [19:03:53] Or other uneeded categories [20:03:30] dmehus, Hi, :) [20:13:29] hi [20:16:39] What are your thoughts on categories dmehus ? [20:19:47] I Prefer having only a few on each page unless being used like tags for stories [21:29:53] Hello, my wiki (https://nomalias.miraheze.org/) has been closed because no edit in more than 60 days, I was last active in October but since then there was a problem with latex which is still present so I went inactive but I still want to use it, I would appreciate any help [21:29:54] [ Nomalias ] - nomalias.miraheze.org [21:39:39] .tell Nomalias, you can go into https://nomalias.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki, and uncheck the 'closed' and 'inactive' boxes to reopen your wiki. If you require an exemption to Dormancy Policy, please request it at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards'_noticeboard [21:39:39] dmehus: I'll pass that on when Nomalias is around. [21:39:40] [ Manage this wiki's core settings - Nomalias ] - nomalias.miraheze.org [21:39:42] [ Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [21:43:09] yes I tried that but the notice is still around but I will ask later again because now I have to go, thank you very much [21:43:10] Nomalias: 2021-02-09 - 21:39:39UTC tell Nomalias , you can go into https://nomalias.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki, and uncheck the 'closed' and 'inactive' boxes to reopen your wiki. If you require an exemption to Dormancy Policy, please request it at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards'_noticeboard [21:48:27] .tell Nomalias, let me take a look. If you're logged out, it's likely a caching issue as I've noticed the closure notice stays when logged out and no sysadmin has been able to tell me why / how to fix that [21:48:27] dmehus: I'll pass that on when Nomalias is around. [21:48:54] Hi MirahezeBot. How are you? [21:50:47] BurningPrincess1, you can say `.help` to get a list of commands MirahezeBot responds to [21:51:00] .stock TSLA [21:51:01] TSLA $849.46 04-13.96 (-1.62%)04⬇ [21:51:41] .help [21:51:41] BurningPrincess1: I've published a list of my commands at: https://sopel.mirahezebots.org/help_prod.html [21:51:55] Page is kidna ugly [21:52:23] Yes, and not well explained. [21:52:50] For instance, I always forget if it's `.help GOOFY` or `.help burger` [21:52:54] .help goofy [21:52:55] dmehus: Unknown command "goofy" [21:53:00] .help burger [21:53:01] dmehus: Makes me give the specified nick a burger. [21:53:01] e.g. .burger MirahezeBot [21:53:09] seems the latter, BurningPrincess1 [21:53:23] .hotchoc dmehus [21:53:23] * MirahezeBot gives dmehus a warm, velvety salted caramel hot chocolate with cream and marhsmellows. [21:53:29] ty [21:53:35] (and I think it should be more wiki-like looks like with contents do jump to headings and with a saying what each command does and how to use it [21:54:14] yeah, tbh, I don't know why the MirahezeBots team has so much of the bot's documentation using GitHub static pages instead of their bots.miraheze.org wiki [21:55:19] I like to have stuff in once place [21:55:39] .help setpronouns [21:55:40] dmehus: Command "setpronouns" has no help. [21:55:40] e.g. .setpronouns they/them/their/theirs/themselves [21:55:43] yeah, same [21:55:57] .setpronouns he/him/his [21:55:58] I'm sorry, I don't know those pronouns. You can give me a set I don't know by formatting it subject/object/possessive-determiner/possessive-pronoun/reflexive, as in: they/them/their/theirs/themselves [21:55:59] I mean, if they have a wiki, they should use it [21:56:54] .setpronouns he/him/his/himself/hisself [21:56:54] dmehus: Thanks for telling me! [21:57:56] BurningPrincess1, yeah, I agree... if you like technical writing and want to suggest that and/or volunteer to do that, you could ask in #miraheze-bots if you want [21:58:30] .help link [21:58:31] dmehus: Log a link in the meeing log. See [meetbot module usage]({% link _usage/meetbot-module.md %}) [21:58:31] e.g. .link http://example.com [21:58:57] .help cur [21:58:57] dmehus: Command "cur" has no help. [21:58:58] e.g. .cur 100 usd in btc cad eur can aux [21:59:23] .cur 100 BTC in USD CAD GBP EUR KRW JPY [21:59:24] dmehus: 100.0 BTC is 4722071.31 USD, 6013384.59 CAD, 3426388.62 GBP, 3901248.60 EUR, 5256620388.61 KRW, 493820047.79 JPY [22:00:44] .miraheze [22:00:45] dmehus: Miraheze is a non-profit wikifarm running MediaWiki. If you would like more information please see https://meta.miraheze.org/ or ask in this channel. [22:00:53] .gethelp [22:00:53] dmehus: Pinging Reception123, Zppix, PuppyKun, Voidwalker, or RhinosF1 who might be able to help you. [22:02:00] * dmehus thinks we should update that list. Why no JohnLewis, paladox, Universal_Omega, or dmehus? Why no other regular users who help users in this channel? [22:02:11] I don't hel that much [22:07:48] dmehus: Also add Southparkfan to that list [22:08:00] I can update if needed [22:08:08] if someone lets me [22:10:32] blackwidowmovie0, yeah, I knew I forgot someone [22:10:36] thanks [22:11:12] dmehus: np, also, when you do `.hotchoc `, marshmellows is spelled incorrectly [22:11:23] https://github.com/mirahezebots [22:12:05] .coffee dmehus [22:12:05] * MirahezeBot gives dmehus a nice warm cup of coffee. [22:12:58] and an extra space [22:13:05] Phabricator [22:24:25] .cake blackwidowmovie0 [22:24:29] Aww damm# [22:25:40] ty, BurningPrincess1 and blackwidowmovie0. blackwidowmovie0, marshmellows is one word, though? 🤔 [22:26:01] I think Demmy needs a coffee [22:26:38] lol is that my new nickname? [22:27:23] .tell Nomalias I looked into your wiki, and it looks like you've successfully reopened your wiki, so you should be good to go. 👍 [22:27:23] dmehus: I'll pass that on when Nomalias is around. [22:27:39] dmehus: many thanks for the help with voidlinux.miraheze.org; i had one question [22:27:57] bleb, np and sure? [22:28:11] the Main Page has not been updated to what is stored in the XML [22:28:23] the old Main Page was this http://web.archive.org/web/20201112012032/https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Main_Page [22:28:25] [ Void Linux Wiki ] - web.archive.org [22:28:41] and I can see that the same content exists in the XML file [22:29:02] but it hasn't made it to the Main Page of the new wiki [22:29:07] bleb, Oh, you probably need to specify your updated Main Page location in MediaWiki:Mainpage [22:29:52] There can be a 2-3 calendar day caching delay to update fully effect this for all users once you make the change, but after that, you should be good to go [22:30:20] but the the Mainpage name on both wikis is Main_Page [22:30:28] could it just be a caching issue? [22:30:37] dmehus, please give me a nmickname [22:30:41] .link https://voidlinux.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage [22:30:42] There is no active meeting [22:30:42] [ MediaWiki:Mainpage - Void Linux Wiki ] - voidlinux.miraheze.org [22:30:45] bleb, let me look [22:30:52] in the xml there is a page with Main Page [22:31:19] and that entry contains the data for the old main page, which i don't see on the new one [22:31:29] Oh I think I got it [22:31:45] you probably just need to restore the earlier revision of Main Page and purge the page [22:31:47] Let me try [22:31:58] go ahead [22:32:25] oh yeah i think i see the issue [22:32:36] my edit was dated after the old version, so it took precedence [22:33:16] bleb, yep, that's what it was. ✅ {{Done}} and purged [22:34:07] awesome! [22:34:14] all looks good [22:35:23] bleb, that's great. :) [22:48:51] btw do you think it would be appropriate to request a dormancy exception on the stewards' noticeboard? [22:49:06] or would it be better to wait a few months to see how much activity the wiki gets [22:51:37] dmehus, I only plan to keep my finished wiki on Miraheze short term,untill I mnage to sort stuff out with edgy1 [22:52:13] I plan to keep my unfinisehd wiki on MH tho [23:04:15] BurningPrincess1, ah, okay, that's fine too [23:04:37] We have some users that use it for drafting before moving to a fully self hosted wiki usually [23:05:57] I do want to self host, I just need to get stuff sorted out with egy1 [23:19:09] .love Miraheze [23:19:10] (●♡∀♡)