[00:00:52] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.62, 3.26, 2.66 [00:10:36] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.52, 0.93, 1.83 [00:10:59] !log MariaDB [simswiki]> update page set page_namespace = 3008 where page_namespace = 3007; [00:11:07] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [00:12:32] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.93, 0.89, 1.60 [00:16:24] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 0.85, 2.37, 2.19 [00:18:21] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.26, 1.33, 1.82 [00:20:22] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.13, 1.88, 1.92 [00:36:41] Hello Tom__! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [00:39:04] !log ALTER TABLE /*_*/searchindex MODIFY COLUMN si_title TEXT BINARY NOT NULL; (applying https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/565765/8 to simswiki) [00:39:05] [ Gerrit Code Review ] - gerrit.wikimedia.org [00:39:11] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [00:40:24] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 1.10, 1.02, 1.72 [00:42:03] !log remove hack from mw1 [00:42:16] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [00:44:23] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.99, 1.54, 1.70 [00:49:57] !log MariaDB [simswiki]> update page set page_namespace = 3007 where page_namespace = 3008; [00:50:09] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [01:07:52] !log ALTER TABLE /*_*/searchindex MODIFY COLUMN si_title varchar(300) BINARY NOT NULL default ''; - simswiki (applying [01:07:58] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [01:36:29] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 1.89, 1.80, 1.43 [01:38:26] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.30, 0.97, 1.17 [01:58:02] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 1.96, 3.42, 2.22 [01:59:59] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.35, 1.90, 1.88 [02:03:52] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.41, 0.88, 1.42 [02:19:50] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 1.94, 2.38, 1.77 [02:21:51] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.92, 1.72, 1.65 [02:23:52] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 1.61, 1.55, 1.58 [02:33:55] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 1.31, 4.03, 2.70 [02:37:48] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.30, 1.13, 1.79 [02:39:45] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 4.04, 1.84, 1.86 [02:41:43] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.79, 1.36, 1.67 [04:07:46] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.70, 2.05, 1.55 [04:09:43] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.95, 1.36, 1.37 [05:03:24] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 4.10, 2.76, 1.61 [05:07:23] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.95, 1.56, 1.54 [05:13:24] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 1.21, 2.59, 2.15 [05:19:22] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.72, 1.60, 1.91 [05:23:21] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.33, 1.24, 1.68 [06:13:21] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 3.18, 3.06, 1.95 [06:19:21] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.59, 1.20, 1.69 [06:27:11] RECOVERY - cp3 Disk Space on cp3 is OK: DISK OK - free space: / 3154 MB (13% inode=94%); [06:46:49] are local bureaucrats allowed to edit interwiki tables? [06:56:54] Naleksuh: no, an Interwiki Admin will have to. [06:57:06] oh [06:57:11] why? [06:57:56] Naleksuh: user security, it changes the way external links are managed. [06:58:45] so i can run javascript on people's computers but not add some links [06:59:17] Naleksuh: yes [06:59:33] that doesn't make a whole lot of sense but okay [06:59:36] are you an interwiki admin? [06:59:52] Naleksuh: no [07:00:17] where can i find one [07:00:35] wait [07:00:39] there are literally zero interwiki admins [07:00:41] meta says so [07:00:56] Naleksuh: ask on community Noticeboard [07:01:06] There are many [07:01:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=interwiki-admin&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 [07:01:57] [ User list - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [07:01:59] look there aren't any [07:02:57] Naleksuh: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/interwiki-admin [07:03:02] [ Global accounts list - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [07:03:14] oh [07:03:24] one of these guys even created an account on my wiki [07:03:26] i can ask him [07:05:14] Naleksuh: they may have just done it on wiki creation and if they don’t have global notifications turned on. May not see your request. Best to use Meta’s Community Noticeboard and all of them can see it. [07:05:39] i will if he doesn't reply in like 48 hours [07:05:44] dont want to send out multiple requests for no reason [07:07:46] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.33, 1.97, 1.45 [07:09:16] Ok [07:09:43] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.66, 1.31, 1.29 [09:25:07] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvIZ4 [09:25:09] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot 036ed0988 - BOT: Updating services config for wikis [10:38:36] [02miraheze/MirahezeMagic] 07translatewiki pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvInN [10:38:38] [02miraheze/MirahezeMagic] 07translatewiki 0353f577d - Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [10:38:39] [ Main page - translatewiki.net ] - translatewiki.net. [10:59:22] PROBLEM - guia.cineastas.pt - LetsEncrypt on sslhost is WARNING: WARNING - Certificate 'guia.cineastas.pt' expires in 15 day(s) (Wed 05 Feb 2020 10:55:42 AM GMT +0000). [10:59:36] [02miraheze/ssl] 07MirahezeSSLBot pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvIcI [10:59:38] [02miraheze/ssl] 07MirahezeSSLBot 03b89285c - Bot: Update SSL cert for guia.cineastas.pt [11:13:23] RECOVERY - guia.cineastas.pt - LetsEncrypt on sslhost is OK: OK - Certificate 'guia.cineastas.pt' will expire on Sun 19 Apr 2020 09:59:30 AM GMT +0000. [11:15:23] PROBLEM - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 3 failures. Last run 3 minutes ago with 3 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[ufw-allow-tcp-from-any-to-any-port-80],Exec[ufw-allow-tcp-from-any-to-any-port-443],Exec[ufw-allow-tcp-from-185.52.3.121-to-any-port-9253] [11:33:35] RECOVERY - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures [11:34:55] PROBLEM - mw3 Puppet on mw3 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 1 failures. Last run 2 minutes ago with 1 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Service[nginx-prometheus-exporter] [11:40:08] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvIcH [11:40:10] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot 0326680eb - BOT: Updating services config for wikis [11:43:12] RECOVERY - mw3 Puppet on mw3 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 55 seconds ago with 0 failures [11:45:36] PROBLEM - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 5 failures. Last run 3 minutes ago with 5 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[ufw-allow-tcp-from-185.52.3.121-to-any-port-9113],Exec[ops_ensure_members],Exec[mediawiki-admins_ensure_members],Service[nginx] [12:03:53] RECOVERY - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures [12:15:44] PROBLEM - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 2 failures. Last run 3 minutes ago with 2 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[ops_ensure_members],Exec[mediawiki-admins_ensure_members] [12:54:07] RECOVERY - mw2 Puppet on mw2 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures [13:04:46] PROBLEM - mw3 Puppet on mw3 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 4 failures. Last run 2 minutes ago with 4 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[ops_ensure_members],Exec[mediawiki-admins_ensure_members],Service[nginx],Service[nginx-prometheus-exporter] [13:12:13] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.80, 2.56, 1.64 [13:12:52] RECOVERY - mw3 Puppet on mw3 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures [13:14:13] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.16, 1.22, 1.30 [14:18:05] PROBLEM - cp3 Disk Space on cp3 is WARNING: DISK WARNING - free space: / 2648 MB (10% inode=94%); [16:02:52] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL - load average: 2.61, 4.01, 2.47 [16:04:58] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.18, 1.82, 1.92 [16:06:56] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 0.32, 1.01, 1.56 [16:49:26] [02ssl] 07Pix1234 opened pull request 03#256: T5128 remove nonsensopedia.org ssl config - 13https://git.io/JvIVO [16:51:27] [02ssl] 07paladox closed pull request 03#256: T5128 remove nonsensopedia.org ssl config - 13https://git.io/JvIVO [16:51:29] [02miraheze/ssl] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-1/±1] 13https://git.io/JvIVZ [16:51:30] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Pix1234 0340eef5f - T5128 remove nonsensopedia.org ssl config (#256) * Delete nonsensopedia.org.crt * remove nonsensopedia.org as requested [16:54:57] !log UPDATE cw_wikis SET wiki_settings = REPLACE(wiki_settings, '"wgServer":"https:\/\/nonsensopedia.org "', null ) WHERE wiki_dbname = 'nonsensopediawiki'; on mw1 using sql.php [16:55:03] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [16:59:23] !log ran ./2.sh on db4 (basically finding all titles that are in User Blog Comment on wikia and setting ns id to 3007 from 0) [16:59:30] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [17:05:44] !log ALTER TABLE /*_*/searchindex MODIFY COLUMN si_title TEXT BINARY NOT NULL; - simswiki [17:05:56] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [18:25:40] Hello dexysmidnight[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:26:12] JohnLewis, Voidwalker: Around? [18:26:29] Hi dexysmidnight[m] [18:26:30] It is Trump Impeachement Day 1 and I consider it as a holiday! Time for some tuuuness [18:26:36] * dexysmidnight[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VbSyOgABAufAxnBWJaoYxKzq > [18:26:40] yup [18:26:44] * dexysmidnight[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zHNMgTtpAJoTihBiOApEfGXp > [18:26:46] * dexysmidnight[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YXpmdfVZaxcpgTaUnKiDNMti > [18:26:47] * dexysmidnight[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SLDGAhNCIdnhFpuzNRdMwtGV > [18:26:49] * dexysmidnight[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EvqRsjFZeCHfilelokSNzFfW > [18:27:59] Voidwalker: can you look at the RandomUser34/8ight dispute as a CoCC case per Pioneer’s talk [18:28:58] grumble: that’s a ban evader [18:29:24] * grumble grumbles [18:30:03] hmm didn't want to do that [18:31:02] grumble: that’s the sweary singer one [18:31:12] Not sure if it’s same as ATS [18:32:27] Reception123: that’ll do or *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/* [18:32:32] nono [18:32:39] RhinosF1: well no I don't want to ban matrix [18:32:42] RhinosF1: that will ban everyone using matrix [18:32:44] yes [18:32:51] Zppix: oops [18:33:04] Reception123: *!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lxjmfaxlqntarqmw [18:33:13] Reception123: i dont know if the string after that though is random or unique per user [18:33:18] That's what I did and it banned everything [18:34:05] Reception123: your client is cutting something then [18:34:10] for matrix, the x-abc is random [18:34:23] grumble: ah thanks, then banning will be useless [18:34:29] grumble: urgh [18:34:41] grumble: not much we can do except let Sigyn do what it does best then :( [18:34:41] you can use $x extbans i think [18:34:57] grumble: oh, is there some documentation for that? [18:35:00] grumble: example? [18:35:26] Reception123: /quote help extban [18:35:32] (apologies if i'm a bit slow, am typing on a phone) [18:35:34] grumble: thanks, will look into how we do that [18:35:45] Hello Oasis_Gallagher[! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:35:46] Today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you [18:35:49] By now, you should have somehow realised what you gotta do [18:35:52] grumble: ^ [18:35:53] I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now [18:35:54] Backbeat, the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out [18:36:06] Voidwalker: beat me to it was just going to op [18:36:25] eg $x:*!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/*#@username:homeserv.er [18:36:56] grumble: but wouldn't that ban all matrix.org users since the x-abc thing is randomized each time? [18:36:59] grumble: @oasisband.matrix [18:37:02] you can also use that to ban all matrix users from a certain homeserver by replacing the matrix username with * [18:37:24] grumble: @oasisband:matrix.org? [18:37:31] Reception123: with $x everything after the "#" matches the realname, not the host :) [18:37:53] grumble: ah, but if they just create another account won't the ban not work? [18:37:59] Hello Oasis_Liam[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:38:00] I can stay opped and watch the channel [18:38:13] grumble: would a network ban be better? [18:38:13] RhinosF1: well yes: $x:*!*@gateway/shell/matrix.org/*#@oasisband:matrix.orf [18:38:26] Zppix: whack that ^ [18:38:38] org not orf, typo :) [18:39:23] Reception123: yes that bans a specifix MXID (matrix account) only. You cannot ban matrix based on IPs [18:39:46] grumble: can you see if we can hold them off the network? [18:39:56] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T5130 [18:39:57] [ ⚓ T5130 Internal error ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [18:40:30] in this case, network bans dont work any better than channel bans (they'd match the exact same thing) [18:41:01] (cleaning up the banlist) [18:41:12] grumble: kk [18:41:24] also with me typing on a phone, i'd be exceptionally slow to k-line [18:41:24] but i will try to get in touch with matrix peeps and see if they can help [18:41:47] grumble: if it continues and your not able ill holler in #freenode [18:42:00] Reception123, Zppix: sre hispano’s comment. Can we also have like a production error tag? And a maint-script-run one? [18:42:30] RhinosF1: I dont have access to phab project creation so thats up to SRE only [18:43:05] Zppix: you can see hispano’s task though :) [18:43:19] i already looked into it i cant find anything in the logs [18:43:57] * grumble has poked some matrix people [18:44:07] * Zppix pokes grumble [18:44:16] rude [18:44:31] Zppix: hmm, tried other mw’s [18:44:35] (I clarify that the task was done by Kadmin) [18:44:41] We need logstash really [18:44:52] RhinosF1: what do you mean by "production error" tag? [18:44:57] RhinosF1: i can try but if its not on mw[123] then i cant do anything [18:45:14] Poke me Zppix [18:45:16] Reception123: for example wmf has a phab project i think called something along the lines of production-error [18:45:28] Zppix: but I don't get what a production error consists in [18:45:29] don't abuse the bot like that whoever did that [18:45:37] Reception123: any exception code [18:45:37] like what does that mean [18:45:39] Reception123: any errors found in production [18:45:42] I'll be back later [18:45:44] Zppix: this time it wasn't me :P [18:46:00] probably to ninja someone again :P [18:46:01] Zppix: RhinosF1 Oh, so just like exceptions, php errors things like that? [18:46:03] Reception123: i could find who it was but i dont feel like sshing into toolforge [18:46:05] Reception123: things with long execution codes [18:46:07] Reception123: si [18:46:13] Zppix: I vote Rhinos! [18:46:25] JohnLewis: ^ what do you think about that tag? [18:46:26] Reception123: considering its a fairly short list to choose from lol [18:46:47] only bot admins can make the bot do whatever they want lol [18:46:57] well I know I liked abusing it in the past but this time it was honestly not me :P [18:47:26] lol [18:48:46] Reception123: we probably should have a tag for Maint Script Runs as well. Shall I create a phab task for it? [18:49:21] RhinosF1: if you want, but what would the tag for maint script runs be used for? afaik there aren't really any errors there [18:50:23] Reception123: people who want things like DeleteBatch, stuck renames, imports, anything that requires running a script that wouldn’t normally be run [18:50:36] Hello thebeatles[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:50:37] Help me if you can, I'm feeling down [18:50:37] And I do appreciate you being round [18:50:37] Help me, get my feet back on the ground [18:50:37] Won't you please, please help me, help me, help me, oh [18:50:37] Help me if you can, I'm feeling down [18:50:37] And I do appreciate you being round [18:50:38] Help me if you can, I'm feeling down [18:50:38] And I do appreciate you being round [18:51:02] Thanks Sigyn [18:51:12] grumble: what user was it on? [18:51:38] Zppix: ooh you got it [18:51:42] i tab out for one second [18:51:52] RhinosF1: yeah its just in the whois [18:52:06] fwiw you can get it after the fact with /whowas :) [18:52:19] grumble: true [18:52:24] Zppix: kk [18:52:29] grumble: oh, never knew that :) [18:52:31] grumble: i use irccloud so it still shows after wards [18:52:53] i think ill just stay opped for now [18:53:38] Reception123: did my msg make sense before we were sung to? [18:54:07] RhinosF1: oh, missed it [18:54:28] RhinosF1: but yes, that would be a great idea since as I said we need a reorganization of Phabricator and that's a step forward [18:54:34] since "mediawiki" and "config" are too vague [18:54:42] hi niko [18:56:04] Reception123: I’ll do it once I’ve stuck some bans [18:56:28] grumble: 18:54:40 banned $j:#miraheze (+b) is right syntax? From #miraheze-meetings [18:56:29] RhinosF1: ok, I fully support the idea but I'd like other SREs to also agree [18:56:33] niko: ^ [18:56:38] Reception123: yeah [18:56:40] grumble: yes [18:56:41] err [18:56:43] RhinosF1: yes [18:57:59] ye [18:58:23] grumble: good [18:58:53] $j has some sanity checks and will not even let you set the ban inder certain conditons [18:59:42] Hello thecure[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [18:59:49] So I try to laugh about it [18:59:49] Cover it all up with lies [18:59:51] grumble: can you invite sigyn to #miraheze-cvt [18:59:59] 'Cause boys don't cry [18:59:59] Boys don't cry [19:00:08] I tried to laugh about it [19:00:08] Hiding the tears in my eyes [19:00:15] * thecure[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/uhaXezCxLvEFAVEhRCNAwRlT > [19:00:17] grumble, niko: ^ [19:00:43] Maybe we need to go +Mz for a bit [19:00:52] And op people who can respond [19:01:19] i dont think its worth it for one troll [19:01:32] Zppix: one bloody persistent one [19:01:45] RhinosF1: good thing is im persistent and a stubborn person [19:01:51] do you really need Sigyn for one troll ? [19:01:53] Or at leas quiet a lot [19:02:03] niko: they’ve been going since Christmas [19:02:09] oh [19:02:17] this isnt an one off event [19:02:22] niko: yeah they come and go [19:04:03] anyway, you have now sigyn in -cvt too [19:04:09] thanks [19:04:10] niko: thanks! [19:04:16] Thanks niko [19:05:06] That lowercase f was bothering me [19:05:48] niko: just hit ##RhinosF1 as well [19:14:13] Zppix: my bad :( [19:14:20] heh [19:18:58] Hello pinkfloyd1[m]! If you have any questions, feel free to ask and someone should answer soon. [19:18:59] We don't need no education [19:18:59] We don't need no thought control [19:19:05] No dark sarcasm in the classroom [19:19:05] Teachers leave them kids alone [19:19:20] Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone [19:19:33] i was typing the cmd void [19:19:48] want to fix the ban? [19:20:29] ty [19:20:34] np [19:20:46] Let’s just set this channel as +r temporarily? [19:20:57] that would stop anyone asking for help [19:21:10] That’s why I said temporarily:) [19:21:22] meh [19:21:31] paladox: what about +mz and op up staff + trusted users so we can help [19:21:51] I dont know how the relay would handle that [19:22:12] Zppix: it’d loose comments [19:23:06] i dont think his spam is harmful enough to do it [19:23:07] imo [19:23:57] I also dunno whether we should do +mz [19:24:28] paladox: I would, it’ll put them off [19:24:38] no it wont [19:24:57] theyll just wait for us to remove it [19:25:13] Zppix: hopefully they’ll be in school or asleep by then [19:26:50] How do you know there in school? [19:26:51] *their [19:27:22] paladox: because they’re likely a bored teenager. No sane adult would be this immature. [19:30:44] What was I pinged about? [19:31:07] JohnLewis: adding some new tags on phabricator [19:31:27] But also we need to decide whether to go +mz [19:31:52] For the tags, depends what they are but the entire thing needs a review [19:33:14] RhinosF1: i think we're fine no need to change modes [19:33:54] I'd leave it for now as well [19:33:55] JohnLewis: I said I’d create a phab task for it. [19:33:58] PROBLEM - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is WARNING: WARNING - load average: 0.68, 1.95, 1.70 [19:35:24] I mean you can but it’ll be a systematic review, not something taking place on Phabricator really [19:36:31] RECOVERY - cp4 Current Load on cp4 is OK: OK - load average: 1.35, 1.36, 1.49 [19:36:34] JohnLewis: well I thought it would help with my reorganisation plans [19:36:39] Since we can clearly split tasks [19:36:57] And tasks like maintenance scripts are usually easy and trivial tasks that can be done fairly quickly [19:37:07] So they could be sorted separately for efficiency [19:38:04] We could even use herald for triage with keywords [19:38:19] The point of the Mediawiki project though was this exact purpose [19:38:38] more tags and projects won’t solve anything in my honest opinion [19:39:54] JohnLewis: MediaWiki could mean anything, allows better triage and #sre don’t really need to be tagged on some tasks if we replaced it with a better one. See https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T5134 [19:39:55] [ ⚓ T5134 Discuss scope of phabricator tags ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [19:40:12] This is my point [19:40:21] the point of MediaWiki was exactly what I said [19:40:39] the diversion from its purpose it one of many issues [19:41:06] So then we should create other things for bugs outside of the MediaWiki tag [19:41:10] MediaWiki was designed as the “catch all” for stuff that mw-admins can do [19:41:15] Since mediawiki now is basically everything [19:41:36] That’s why we have Config and Extensions [19:41:38] JohnLewis: mediawiki will still have a scope. It just means someone can see in seconds, this task involves xxx [19:41:49] originally it was perceived things would split into 1 of 3 categories [19:42:01] JohnLewis: well mw admins can investigate bugs but that takes time and effort so perhaps we should have a different bugs task then [19:42:13] Yes, the scope of MediaWiki IS what you are describing [19:42:53] We don’t need tags to categories complexity of bugs though [19:43:02] JohnLewis: well for me a reported internal error let's say is different than a request to rebuildAll. [19:43:21] someone may have a bit of time to execute trivial tasks but not enough time to investigate an error and fix it [19:43:22] JohnLewis: read the task to see what I proposed. They’re both also upstream tags and used often and I think we’re getting to a need. [19:43:38] But they can be dealt with by the same person, requests shouldn’t be so numerous it requires so much granular work [19:43:56] Maybe we should use the workboards instead then at least [19:43:57] plus we’re awful at categorisation, I honestly don’t believe more is the solution [19:44:12] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/tag/mediawiki/ is used very badly atm with everything being "backlog" basically [19:44:13] [ MediaWiki · Workboard ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [19:44:19] curious if Herald works for workboards [19:44:40] Work boards should definitely by used more [19:44:46] Reception123: it doesn’t [19:44:53] shame [19:45:22] JohnLewis: work boards don’t work with herald. Personally, having projects that cover a set scope and type of issue is good. [19:45:32] MediaWiki is becoming too general [19:46:11] I never said it did work with Herald [19:46:29] Yes, it is becoming too general. That is the issue [19:46:40] JohnLewis: which reduces the work that can automate using them [19:46:48] It HAD a specific purpose [19:46:52] And too general so we re categorise things [19:47:04] Automation doesn’t work really here [19:47:16] we get loads of task improperly tagged by Herald and by humans [19:47:44] JohnLewis: Maybe someone should write a phabricator review proposal [19:47:53] JohnLewis: hm something strange is that we have https://phabricator.miraheze.org/tag/import/ so why do we also categorise import tasks as "MediaWiki" [19:47:54] [ Import · Workboard ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [19:47:55] RhinosF1: definitely! [19:48:09] Yes, I’ve been saying this for the whole conversation [19:48:17] its a bigger problem [19:48:29] but right now, we have bigger problems than Phab [19:48:35] JohnLewis: I could do it at some point. [19:48:36] so it’s not as important [19:49:09] yeah, guess now we need to make do with the current flawed system [19:49:44] Reception123; because imports fell under MediaWiki, not they don’t but this is a point im raising - its so inconsistent [19:50:30] yes, consistency is one of the main issue as everyone has their own way of categorizing things when there should be one that's agree upon [19:58:23] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 pushed 031 commit to 03Reception123-patch-1 [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvI6C [19:58:24] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 033fac9f4 - include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir [19:58:26] [02ssl] 07Reception123 created branch 03Reception123-patch-1 - 13https://git.io/vxP9L [19:58:27] [02ssl] 07Reception123 opened pull request 03#257: include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir - 13https://git.io/JvI6W [19:59:05] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 pushed 031 commit to 03Reception123-patch-1 [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JvI68 [19:59:06] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 03c707b10 - Update certs.yaml [19:59:07] [02ssl] 07Reception123 synchronize pull request 03#257: include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir - 13https://git.io/JvI6W [19:59:18] [02ssl] 07Reception123 closed pull request 03#257: include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir - 13https://git.io/JvI6W [19:59:20] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±2] 13https://git.io/JvI6B [19:59:21] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 03e333fde - include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir (#257) * include wiki.m.alirezaivaz.ir * Update certs.yaml [19:59:23] [02ssl] 07Reception123 deleted branch 03Reception123-patch-1 - 13https://git.io/vxP9L [19:59:24] looks like I'm your new spammer :P [19:59:24] [02miraheze/ssl] 07Reception123 deleted branch 03Reception123-patch-1 [19:59:34] :O [20:00:31] Lol [20:00:41] [02mw-config] 07Reception123 commented on pull request 03#2824: Adjust protection settings - 13https://git.io/JvI6u [20:00:52] ^ paladox this seems to require your final comment [20:01:09] paladox: same for https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/2831 I guess [20:01:10] [ Add $wgMaxCredits on ManageWiki per request T5011 by Hispano76 · Pull Request #2831 · miraheze/mw-config · GitHub ] - github.com [20:01:34] RhinosF1: see any issues with merging https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/2853 ? [20:01:35] [ enable wgExtraInterlanguageLinkPrefixes on hispanowiki and Ucroniaswiki per request by Hispano76 · Pull Request #2853 · miraheze/mw-config · GitHub ] - github.com [20:03:03] Reception123: no [20:03:39] ^ paladox [20:04:36] oh, hi Reception123 [20:05:05] hi hispano76 [20:05:24] That looks wrong [20:05:40] RhinosF1: you're free to make a proposal but realistically, I wouldn't expect it to be properly discussed until March I'd say [20:05:45] [02mw-config] 07The-Voidwalker reviewed pull request 03#2853 commit - 13https://git.io/JvI6w [20:06:37] JohnLewis: That gives me 2 months to do it. [20:07:00] JohnLewis: March? The board? [20:07:13] paladox: Board? [20:07:19] paladox: Phab is a technical team issue [20:07:37] JohnLewis: I also might start tracking the growth of Miraheze from 1/02 [20:07:47] Ok nvm johnLewis :) [20:07:59] Why march? [20:08:25] There's many and much bigger issues that need to be dealt with first [20:09:04] RhinosF1: sounds nice, perhaps chat with Owen as I think he's wanting to start doing some data analysis on Miraheze in the new few weeks/months [20:09:47] JohnLewis: will do [20:09:53] Ok [20:10:07] I’ll make a draft in my user space and then ping him probs tommorow [20:11:28] :) [20:13:00] [02mw-config] 07Hispano76 synchronize pull request 03#2853: enable wgExtraInterlanguageLinkPrefixes on hispanowiki and Ucroniaswiki per request - 13https://git.io/JveTS [20:13:14] Reception123: going to dig up you’re old site updates data and big wikis as well [20:13:29]