[00:01:28] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhi0 [00:01:30] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 0354efba1 - Move away from tidy to cron to remove files from icinga2 perf data Also move to 2 days instead of every 3 days [00:12:19] RECOVERY - mw3 JobQueue on mw3 is OK: JOBQUEUE OK - job queue below 300 jobs [00:16:13] PROBLEM - mw3 JobQueue on mw3 is CRITICAL: JOBQUEUE CRITICAL - job queue greater than 300 jobs. Current queue: 1475 [00:18:20] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhPW [00:18:22] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 03e09ed0d - Set timeout to 60s and 30s for scrapping [00:24:12] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhPi [00:24:14] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 03491b27c - Fix prometheus config [00:26:32] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhPP [00:26:33] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 0376261b4 - Set 30s [00:27:50] RECOVERY - mw3 JobQueue on mw3 is OK: JOBQUEUE OK - job queue below 300 jobs [00:32:25] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhPx [00:32:26] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 032cdf990 - Add icinga check to make sure that prometheus is running [00:33:49] https://prnt.sc/kjkgb9 paladox ? [00:33:50] Title: [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - prnt.sc [00:34:11] Wiki-1776 huh? [00:34:21] see link paladox [00:34:27] yep, i have [00:34:36] i just doin't understand what your asking me. [00:34:45] interface in english when it shouldn't? [00:34:53] oh [00:35:16] https://wiki1776.miraheze.org/wiki/Usuario:Wiki1776 is spanish!! [00:35:16] Title: [ Error de permisos - Wikihispano ] - wiki1776.miraheze.org [00:35:56] bug/error on LC? [00:35:59] Wiki-1776 try now :) [00:36:13] !log sudo -u www-data php /srv/mediawiki/w/maint*/rebuildLocalisationCache.php --wiki test1wiki on mw* [00:36:17] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [00:37:54] hmm no [00:38:01] sorry, me tengo que ir [00:38:20] Wiki-1776 ? [00:45:17] Wiki-1776 should be fixed. [00:45:32] Voidwalker also thanks btw. [00:53:32] paladox: LC will be quicker if you use loginwiki, just saying ;) [01:16:11] JohnLewis: huh? [01:16:20] I did do that [01:16:25] And it broke things [01:16:33] So I reverted back to test1 [01:20:09] what do you mean it broke things? [01:20:42] JohnLewis: some messages were not in the lc file [01:21:10] Causing errors, though this was a few weeks ago (maybe a month) so I doint remember exactly :) [01:21:34] but not all exts are on test1 [01:21:59] It may have been because I ran mergeMessenges or what ever it’s called using loginwiki [01:22:18] you should run it using loginwiki... [01:22:40] JohnLewis: hmm, curious on why it will be quicker? [01:23:04] because you're building the cache for extensions twice [01:23:16] Twice? [01:23:18] How? [01:23:20] those on test1wiki then those in the messages file [01:24:08] Oh [01:24:38] JohnLewis: is that how you do it? [01:24:52] yes [01:26:18] JohnLewis: so mergeMessage you do the same thing too? [01:26:27] yes [01:27:00] Ok then *facepalm* [02:34:13] https://www.humblebundle.com/store/orwell [02:34:14] Title: [ The Humble Store: Great games. Fantastic prices. Support charity. ] - www.humblebundle.com [02:34:16] Free game 8] [03:38:50] Thanks, it's all right now. [06:18:19] hamza: if you make your wiki private only people you add can read it [06:18:29] or did you only want to restrict editing [06:19:28] to only sysops? [06:20:40] do you want it sysops, or do you want a custom editor group you can add people to without making them sysop [06:21:56] hamza: [06:21:57] ok [06:22:08] do you want /only/ people in the editor group, or editors and sysops can edit? [06:23:42] quran is already set for only sysop [06:23:46] you want me to change it so its only editor group [06:23:47] ? [06:23:57] hamza: [06:25:38] [02miraheze/mw-config] 07NDKilla pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNhFu [06:25:40] [02miraheze/mw-config] 07NDKilla 03d1aa0f8 - update editing restrictions on 2 wikis Update 2 wiki permissions per request * restrict editing to 'editors' only on hamzawiki * change quranwiki restriction from sysop only to editor only [06:25:46] sure [06:27:01] uhh, generally speaking permissions are wiki-wide. You could have two wikis, one public one private, and request interwiki links to be set up. [we just started allowing people to have local interwikis] [06:27:17] otherwise, if it was only a few pages you could have a private wiki with some pages whitelisted [06:27:23] (but you cant blacklist some pages on a public wiki) [06:28:31] No [06:28:42] You'd have to make a request on phabricator [its more complicated and i dont want to do it now] [06:28:50] but it has to be set like ^ above [06:29:04] hopefully some day it's customizable in ManageWiki, but not currently [06:29:04] np [06:30:24] yes [06:30:27] it should take effect like.. now [06:30:28] :p [06:31:33] yehp just did [06:31:36] i checked it on hamzawiki [06:31:47] cool sites not broke so im going to bed now 8] alarm goes off in 4 hours [08:15:43] PROBLEM - misc1 Puppet on misc1 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 1 failures. Last run 2 minutes ago with 1 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Apt_key[Add key: F86AA916A2195E121AEDB11437BBEE3F7AD95B3F from Apt::Source grafana_apt] [08:30:00] I think [d__d] should be opped or unreg users' comment won't be logged? [08:37:12] revi: yeah, but then we log the spam too, so we might as well not do moderation [08:37:51] I think the onus is on logbot operator :-p [08:38:15] heh [08:38:38] anyway, it looks like the spam is turning into just youtube links, so Sigyn isn't picking it up [08:38:59] yup [08:39:04] I got it as well [08:43:41] RECOVERY - misc1 Puppet on misc1 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 43 seconds ago with 0 failures [10:55:19] Sigyn started picking it up [10:55:31] I think it pretty quickly "learns" from the distributed spam. [10:56:03] PuppyKun: so if I post a link to Youtube I get klined?:P [10:56:50] Nah. If you disconnected from the network, reconnected, then immediately pasted THAT link, possibly [10:57:02] Registered users may be exempted/have more leeway [10:57:06] I'd rather not find out [10:57:53] same :D [10:58:00] 8] [11:36:02] MacFan4000: hi. around? [11:36:16] Yes [11:39:01] MacFan4000: Great. What are the next steps with SignBot? [11:40:18] Zppix: pasted an error [11:40:23] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1QfnKVFy [11:40:24] Title: [ Snippet | IRCCloud ] - www.irccloud.com [11:41:03] oh, that EventStreams thing [11:41:06] It needs eventstreams [11:41:08] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/EventStreams [11:41:09] Title: [ EventStreams - Wikitech ] - wikitech.wikimedia.org [11:42:11] hmm, and we supposed to get that at Miraheze? [11:42:12] paladox: ^ [11:42:51] revi: ^ maybe you know since you do stuff with pywikibot [11:43:03] and why would it not work since we already have bots working which run it [11:56:15] Reception123: what other bot is using pywikibot? [11:56:33] Void-bot and Revibot [11:56:39] afaik [11:56:45] Also from my understanding eventstreams require kafka [11:57:06] what's that? [11:57:06] Reception123: we should wait for revi or void then [11:57:10] ok [11:57:17] Seeing as they know how to use it :) [11:57:27] Can we disable eventstreams? [11:58:38] yeah, we should see [13:08:32] [02miraheze/CreateWiki] 07translatewiki pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNj8O [13:08:33] [02miraheze/CreateWiki] 07translatewiki 03c639089 - Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [13:08:35] [02miraheze/ManageWiki] 07translatewiki pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNj83 [13:08:36] [02miraheze/ManageWiki] 07translatewiki 036dd22d0 - Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [13:10:41] I will let you know when I see JohnLewis and I will deliver that message to them [13:10:41] @notify JohnLewis we need you in -staff ASAP [13:12:25] Hi hamza [13:22:38] wut? [13:23:14] revi: a pywikibot issue [13:23:22] paladox: care to explain :D [13:23:37] that one I think you've got to support eventstream or rewrite the script [13:24:13] hallo Reception123 revi :) [13:24:15] Reception123: explain? [13:24:28] revi: how do we support? And rewrite which script? [13:24:32] paladox: nevermind [13:24:35] Ok [13:24:35] Hi Wiki-1776 [13:24:48] the script generating error for ES [13:24:52] to not to use ES [13:25:05] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/EventStreams [13:25:06] Title: [ EventStreams - Wikitech ] - wikitech.wikimedia.org [13:25:25] Oh ok [13:25:27] Thanks revi [13:25:31] MacFan4000: ^^ [13:31:40] Well, I am bad at python, so I can’t really help [13:32:11] Reception123: ^^ [13:33:33] I don’t see where that page lists how to support eventstreams [13:42:50] paladox: ^ for what re-vi said [13:51:02] Reception123: ^^ [13:55:42] No you aren’t [13:57:53] hamza: of course not. [13:58:07] 2000 images? It seemed to be done, though I will check again [13:58:17] hamza: I apologize that not all images were imported [14:12:25] [02puppet] 07MacFan4000 opened pull request 03#810: Update aliases - 13https://git.io/fNju2 [14:12:29] Reception123: I said to Zppix yesterday, "anyways, the bot uses eventstreams to get rc. if mh doesn't have eventstreams then you some (idk how much) modifications to make the bot use mediawiki api instead." [14:13:30] [02puppet] 07MacFan4000 closed pull request 03#810: Update aliases - 13https://git.io/fNju2 [17:24:52] paladox: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#504_Gateway_Time-out_on_template_import tsk tsk paladox [17:24:52] Title: [ Stewards' noticeboard - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [17:24:58] you've brought us 504 issues [17:25:00] please check that out [17:25:10] Reception123 i think it's because mediawiki is slow [17:25:13] at processing imports [17:25:18] thus it's hitting the timeout [17:25:31] paladox: it's 451 kb [17:25:34] it can't be that bad [17:25:49] Reception123 yes, that's slow on the command line right too? [17:26:05] paladox: yeah, but a 450 kb import shouldn't be causing a 503 [17:26:05] *504 [17:26:17] Reception123 but the size is not the matter [17:26:20] it's the content [17:26:24] it's processing the xml [17:26:33] paladox: ok, well please give the user a reply then [17:34:28] ^ JohnLewis lol does that name remind you of someone [18:01:07] whats the status on eventstream?? [18:01:28] Zppix i doin't think we have the resources for eventstream (requires kafka too) [18:01:45] Zppix: so we need to rewrite it to not use eventstream [18:01:45] eventstream? [18:01:53] Wiki-1776: It's a service we need for a bot [18:02:28] Reception123: ugh I am not going to be able to rewrite it [18:04:04] hmm yeah [18:04:08] paladox: can we really not get evenstreams [18:04:31] Reception123 yep, kafka needs ram [18:04:47] paladox: where's all this about kafka? [18:04:59] Reception123 i got that from prod where it hit OOM [18:05:01] causing outages [18:05:11] Reception123 https://kafka.apache.org [18:05:12] Title: [ Apache Kafka ] - kafka.apache.org [18:05:20] I mean how do you know we need it for eventstreams? [18:05:40] it also mentions in the eventstreams docs that it uses kafka i think [18:05:42] on [18:05:46] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/EventStreams [18:05:46] Title: [ EventStreams - Wikitech ] - wikitech.wikimedia.org [18:05:48] "if mh doesn't have eventstreams then you some (idk how much) modifications to make the bot use mediawiki api instead."" [18:05:51] "EventStreams is backed by Kafka." [18:05:52] ^ paladox do you know how? [18:06:01] Reception123 nope [18:06:08] im only a begginer at the api [18:06:15] JohnLewis will know way more how to use that api [18:06:19] :(( [18:06:25] We need somebody that knows python [18:07:05] paladox: I don't know the API. it's well documented anyway [18:07:11] oh [18:07:14] Voidwalker: uses the api a bit too [18:07:28] I think [18:07:40] I dont know enough python to rewrite it to use the mw api sorry :( [18:08:17] We could try and get phantom... [18:08:35] MacFan4000: I feel like we've asked a whole lot of him though [18:08:40] I could take a look at it, but I'd think setting up eventstreams would almost be easier :/ [18:08:48] Yeah [18:08:54] Voidwalker: thanks! [18:09:01] Voidwalker: https://github.com/Pix1234/mh-signbot/blob/master/bot.py [18:09:01] Title: [ mh-signbot/bot.py at master · Pix1234/mh-signbot · GitHub ] - github.com [18:09:11] Voidwalker: though we don’t have the resources for eventstreams [18:09:33] are we sure about that though? [18:09:41] paladox: is [18:10:00] i am sure because kafka uses memory [18:10:16] Reception123: ^^ [18:10:40] it's also an unnecessary service [18:11:06] ok [18:11:20] it'd be really useful for automated monitoring though :P [18:11:25] And what will it do? It will be similar to MirahezeRC? [18:11:31] "automated monitoring though"? [18:11:36] we use icinga :) [18:11:57] No, it will auto-sign unsigned comments Wiki-1776 [18:12:07] On meta [18:12:15] he is refering to rc updating [18:12:20] without needing to use eventstreams [18:12:24] ie live updates [18:12:30] which is what evenstreams basically is [18:12:38] like rest api on gerrit [18:12:42] (stream events) [18:12:49] Ok [18:13:10] rest api i mean through ssh, not sure if you can do that through http. [18:13:56] oooh MacFan4000 [18:14:51] It seems that in eswikipedia they have a similar one (Bot). [18:15:55] MacFan4000: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=ZppixBot&redirect=no [18:15:56] Title: [ ZppixBot - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [18:17:27] paladox, automated monitoring such as what Void-bot does in -feed :P [18:17:34] oh [18:18:07] MacFan4000: let me know what you think about the userapge for zppixbot [18:18:12] s/userapge/userpage [18:18:12] Zppix meant to say: MacFan4000: let me know what you think about the userpage for zppixbot [18:18:20] PROBLEM - mw3 JobQueue on mw3 is CRITICAL: JOBQUEUE CRITICAL - job queue greater than 300 jobs. Current queue: 5921 [18:18:36] I essentially made it so that it applies abuse filter like monitoring for some services that don't have abusefilter integration [18:19:49] .c 1+1 [18:19:49] Wiki-1776: 2 [18:19:59] Zppix: looks good [18:20:05] MacFan4000: thanks [18:20:14] MacFan4000: its just a start i may do more to it [18:20:29] .task 1234 [18:20:31] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T1234 - Range blocking [Resolved] authored by DeltaQuad, assigned to Void [18:20:57] .c 1+2+3+4-555+10000000-2000000 [18:20:57] paladox: 7999455 [18:21:41] .seen Wiki-1776 [18:21:41] Wiki-1776: I last saw Wiki-1776 at 2018-08-17 - 18:20:29 in here, saying .task 1234 [18:21:52] XD [18:22:04] .seen paladox [18:22:04] paladox: I last saw paladox at 2018-08-17 - 19:20:57BST in here, saying .c 1+2+3+4-555+10000000-2000000 [18:22:06] .seen JohnLewis [18:22:06] paladox: I last saw JohnLewis at 2018-08-17 - 19:10:40BST in here, saying it's also an unnecessary service [18:22:09] .seen Reception123 [18:22:10] paladox: I last saw Reception123 at 2018-08-17 - 19:11:06BST in here, saying ok [18:22:22] .py [18:22:22] Need an expression to evaluate [18:22:30] .py 1111.py [18:22:32] paladox: SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) [18:22:33] are we just screwing with my bot now :P [18:22:40] lol yes [18:22:40] .cur 1 EUR in USD [18:22:42] 1.00 EUR (European euro) = 1.14 USD (US dollar) [18:22:44] .tell Zppix yes [18:22:45] paladox: I'll pass that on when Zppix is around. [18:22:49] oh, that works now [18:22:54] MacFan4000: .cur never works what happened lol [18:22:56] Zppix: 2018-08-17 - 13:22:44CDT tell Zppix yes [18:23:01] heh [18:23:20] MacFan4000: maybe zppixbot has learned how to fix itself? [18:23:44] .cur 1 STERLING in USD [18:23:44] paladox: Sorry, I didn't understand the input. [18:23:45] .tell Hello? [18:23:45] Wiki-1776: tell Hello? what? [18:23:46] Why are we bullying zppixbot again :P [18:23:50] .cur 1 POUND in USD [18:23:50] paladox: Sorry, I didn't understand the input. [18:23:51] Zppix: people are messing with me [18:23:52] Let it have a holiday [18:23:52] meh [18:24:00] .cur 1 STERLING in USD [18:24:00] paladox: Sorry, I didn't understand the input. [18:24:08] Reception123: its not using any my server resources just wmf's so abuse it all you want [18:24:25] Zppix: thought it was human :P [18:24:29] .uptime [18:24:29] I've been sitting here for 8 days, 0:21:50 and I keep going! [18:24:29] .cur 1 GBP in USD [18:24:30] .tell Reception123 alguna novedad [18:24:31] 1.00 GBP (UK pound sterling) = 1.27 USD (US dollar) [18:24:32] Wiki-1776: I'll pass that on when Reception123 is around. [18:24:37] Reception123: only when im making it [18:24:50] ZppixBot: .sleep 1000d [18:24:51] Reception123: 2018-08-17 - 18:24:31 tell Reception123 alguna novedad [18:25:00] ok [18:25:07] Reception123: perhaps you should use an actual command [18:25:10] .cur 10 USD in EUR [18:25:10] 10.00 USD (US dollar) = 8.79 EUR (European euro) [18:25:27] .help [18:25:28] Hang on, I'm creating a list. [18:25:29] .w A [18:25:30] commands ^^ [18:25:30] I've posted a list of my commands at https://ptpb.pw/ydoz - You can see more info about any of these commands by doing .help (e.g. .help time) [18:25:36] [WIKIPEDIA] A | "A (named , plural As, A's, as, a's or aes) is the first letter and the first vowel of the ISO basic Latin alphabet. It is similar to the Ancient Greek letter alpha, from which it derives. The uppercase version consists of the two slanting sides of a triangle, crossed in the middle by a horizontal bar..." | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A [18:25:48] I do what I want Reception123 [18:26:01] (bot maintainers lets not use .msg though please) [18:26:17] I bet that was paladox [18:26:23] that was not me [18:26:29] Then MacFan4000 [18:26:36] .botadmins [18:26:36] MacFan4000: The bot's admins are: You, SwisterTwister, Reception123, Reception|away, paladox and Zppix [18:26:38] I dont mind if you use commands like crazy but if someone needs help or its asked to be stopped, please do so, just avoid .msg [18:26:50] What if I want it to be in Spanish or French? Nah, I'm just kidding. Zppix [18:27:01] .xkcd [18:27:02] http://xkcd.com/777 | Pore Strips | Alt-text: I'm sure they're a harmful tool of the cosmetics-industrial complex and all, but my goodness do those strips ever work to pull gunk out of your pores. I was shocked, disgusted, and vaguely fascinated by the result. [18:27:06] Wiki-1776: i think you can do something similar not entire bot though [18:27:13] .mamgle [18:27:38] .w es:w:Microsoft [18:27:39] [WIKIPEDIA] ECMAScript | "ECMAScript (or ES)is a trademarked scripting-language specification standardized by Ecma International in ECMA-262 and ISO/IEC 16262. It was created to standardize JavaScript, so as to foster multiple independent implementations. JavaScript has remained the best-known implementation of ECMAScript since..." | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript [18:27:41] .mangle [18:27:47] Wiki-1776: i dont know [18:27:49] MacFan4000: The user wrote: "WS: W: [18:27:54] .help mangle [18:27:55] Zppix: Repeatedly translate the input until it makes absolutely no sense. [18:27:57] MacFan4000: ^ [18:28:04] I know [18:28:08] .mangle [18:28:14] MacFan4000: McFan 4000 "I know" [18:28:19] MacFan4000: i thought it wasnt working cause i thought it needed something written after .mangle [18:28:27] .mangle [18:28:31] rewriting that bot.py is going to be difficult [18:28:37] Test 503 Test [18:28:37] Rip [18:28:38] MacFan4000: Zppix said, "MacFan4000: I think it does not work, I think it needs" [18:28:44] Voidwalker: we just need to rewrite it to use api instead of event streams [18:28:51] .mangle [18:28:51] MacFan4000: Zppix said 'Voidwalker: we just need to rewrite it to use api instead of event streams' [18:29:02] Voidwalker: it doesnt have to be done quickly just whatever is reasonable [18:34:02] it's funny because only two lines need changing, but it'll need an entire class to handle the change :P [18:34:41] why not use the mediawiki client like the rc bot uses in --feed? [18:34:45] for the api [18:34:52] mwclient [18:34:58] * paladox .post() is deprecated! Use plugin.restApi().post() [18:35:01] meh [18:35:03] wrong paste [18:35:07] https://github.com/mwclient/mwclient [18:35:08] Title: [ GitHub - mwclient/mwclient: mwclient is a Python client library to interface with the MediaWiki API. ] - github.com [18:35:43] Voidwalker: if you're willing to do it, just tell me what you need from me or what i can do to assist and ill do it [18:37:04] I'll have to mess around with it later, I have a couple of other projects to do with a limited time window [18:40:10] Voidwalker: no worries thanks [18:40:31] thanks a lot Voidwalker! [18:42:18] could have ManageWiki links appear in all wikis in the sidebar? example: https://prnt.sc/kjw49y [18:42:18] Title: [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - prnt.sc [18:42:32] MacFan4000: Reception123 paladox any of you have a minute to tell me what im screwing up with this template? https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Template:WIP [18:42:33] Title: [ Template:WIP - TestWiki ] - publictestwiki.com [18:42:53] As I said yesterday, I suck at templates so I don't think I can help [18:43:01] I'm definitely not better than you at them [18:43:05] Reception123: thats why i pinged 2 others [18:43:10] Zppix: you'll have to bother poor busy Void again [18:43:14] he's the best at templates [18:43:18] Reception123: nah [18:43:24] lol every time he's around I always have something for him [18:43:26] Reception123: i've hit my void bothering quota [18:43:35] I've hit it a long time ago [18:43:45] I bother everyone :P [18:43:54] MacFan4000: paladox could you guys look at it plz [18:44:08] Zppix what's wrong with https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Template:WIP? [18:44:08] Title: [ Template:WIP - TestWiki ] - publictestwiki.com [18:44:12] paladox: yes [18:44:44] Zppix i mean what's wrong? [18:44:57] https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Test [18:44:58] Title: [ Test - TestWiki ] - publictestwiki.com [18:45:00] paladox: it should look like enwp.org/template:Under_construction [18:45:08] oh [18:45:10] MacFan4000: oh im dumb [18:45:12] paladox: nevermind [18:45:16] Zppix: it’s wrapped in includeonly tags [18:45:16] lol [18:45:18] MacFan4000: i forgot it wont display on template page [18:45:23] Zppix: you should probably use special:import [18:47:22] proposal/idea/etc? https://prnt.sc/kjw49y [18:47:22] Title: [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - prnt.sc [18:50:11] that's not a bad idea [18:51:00]