[00:05:04] NEKODESUNYA: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3489 closed as declined (for now?) [00:05:05] Title: [ ⚓ T3489 Enable Semantic MediaWiki on rageofbahamut.miraheze.org ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [00:05:10] see this comment https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T468#6251 [00:05:11] Title: [ ⚓ T468 SMW extrension request ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [00:05:31] See https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Enable_Semantic_MediaWiki_configuration for current RFC on the matter. dunno if anything will change but.. you could show your support for it there [00:05:32] Title: [ Requests for Comment/Enable Semantic MediaWiki configuration - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [00:06:14] Sorry for the inconvenience. Setting up and configuring SMW is a technical hassle we have not been able to do so far. [00:06:19] May change in the future. [00:06:43] poor SMW got removed from wmf wikitech [00:06:49] [02miraheze/mediawiki] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03REL1_31 [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNAqu [00:06:51] [02miraheze/mediawiki] 07paladox 03d042da4 - Update Echo to upstream [00:07:17] didnt gamepedia or some big site also remove it in favor of cargo or something? [00:11:27] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki [00:11:27] Title: [ Manual:Interwiki - MediaWiki ] - www.mediawiki.org [00:11:36] technically the /prefix/ is just the part used to point a link to an interwiki site [00:13:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Variables possibly? [00:13:10] Title: [ Extension:Variables - MediaWiki ] - www.mediawiki.org [00:13:13] [02miraheze/mediawiki] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03REL1_31 [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNAqP [00:13:14] honestly no idea i just googled mediawiki vardefine [00:13:15] [02miraheze/mediawiki] 07paladox 030b17fe3 - Update DynamicPageList3 to 3.2.2 [00:13:30] that is installed [00:13:52] You can try enabling it via Special:ManageWikiExtensions [00:22:40] .weather 89101 [00:22:43] Yahoo! Weather - Las Vegas, NV, US: Partly Cloudy, 40°C (104°F), Humidity: 16%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↖) [00:23:27] .weather London [00:23:27] Yahoo! Weather - London, England, GB: Partly Cloudy, 17°C (62°F), Humidity: 70%, Moderate breeze 6.3m/s (→) [00:23:32] oh [00:23:34] .fw [00:23:35] heh [00:23:38] lame that doesnt work [00:23:40] .weather PuppyKun [00:23:40] Yahoo! Weather - Puppikon, TG, CH: Partly Cloudy, 15°C (59°F), Humidity: 87%, Light air 1.8m/s (↗) [00:23:45] .. wat [00:23:54] you live in Puppikon, TG? Lol [00:23:56] .weather 48084 [00:23:56] Yahoo! Weather - Troy, MI, US: Sunny, 30°C (86°F), Humidity: 34%, Light breeze 3.1m/s (↘) [00:23:59] Zuerikon? [00:24:00] 8) [00:24:03] michigan PuppyKun ? [00:24:07] yes o -o [00:24:14] not my city but yes michigan [00:24:17] .weather [00:24:18] Yahoo! Weather - Portland, ME, US: Scattered Showers, 20°C (68°F), Humidity: 100%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↑) [00:24:19] heh /me is from that state :D [00:24:23] o -o [00:24:27] arent you from the uk [00:24:32] Michigonian? [00:24:33] I live in the UK [00:24:39] i was born in michigan [00:24:40] Be glad you moved [00:24:51] yes i am :) [00:24:55] i like it in the UK! [00:24:58] but he still wants the passport [00:25:03] yup [00:25:16] btw paladox, did you know the US has a worldwide tax system [00:25:17] need to swap my childs american passport for a adults one. [00:25:23] nope [00:25:25] it's not territorial [00:25:36] so that means.. if you are a citizen you have to report taxes to them [00:25:44] no matter where you live or have your income [00:26:05] many other countries have a territorial system, meaning if you dont live there you dont owe taxes there [00:28:44] mutante hmm [00:28:49] nope i did not [00:30:12] https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxpayers-living-abroad [00:30:12] Title: [ Taxpayers Living Abroad | Internal Revenue Service ] - www.irs.gov [00:30:59] there might be special agreements between 2 countries to avoid that people are taxed in 2 jurisdictions but .. yea [00:32:16] I think my dad does that for me though have no idea (not sure). [00:37:12] PROBLEM - test1 php7.2-fpm on test1 is CRITICAL: PROCS CRITICAL: 0 processes with command name 'php-fpm7.2' [00:44:29] [02puppet] 07MacFan4000 synchronize pull request 03#808: redesign 50x error page - 13https://git.io/fNNes [00:45:34] paladox: ^ Ive added my changes, now you can add yours :) [00:45:39] ok [00:47:00] [02puppet] 07paladox synchronize pull request 03#808: redesign 50x error page - 13https://git.io/fNNes [00:47:19] MacFan4000 done [00:47:42] [02puppet] 07paladox edited pull request 03#808: redesign varnish error pages - 13https://git.io/fNNes [00:47:48] [02puppet] 07paladox closed pull request 03#808: redesign varnish error pages - 13https://git.io/fNNes [00:47:49] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNAmp [00:47:51] [02miraheze/puppet] 07MacFan4000 035d8a48d - redesign 50x error page (#808) redesign varnish error pages [00:49:25] RECOVERY - cp4 Puppet on cp4 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 22 seconds ago with 0 failures [00:50:02] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNAYJ [00:50:03] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 03fccefc8 - https [00:51:18] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNAYk [00:51:20] [02miraheze/puppet] 07paladox 03f312699 - our -> are [00:58:29] RECOVERY - test1 Puppet on test1 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 2 minutes ago with 0 failures [00:59:11] RECOVERY - test1 php7.2-fpm on test1 is OK: PROCS OK: 5 processes with command name 'php-fpm7.2' [01:06:30] PROBLEM - test1 Puppet on test1 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 1 failures. Last run 3 minutes ago with 1 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): [01:08:30] RECOVERY - test1 Puppet on test1 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 51 seconds ago with 0 failures [01:11:08] !log apt-get upgrade on all * [01:11:12] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [01:12:09] * paladox upgrades JohnLewis to 3.0 whilst i am at it [01:12:52] make sure you know what you upgrade [01:14:11] JohnLewis i will tell you what it is in -staff [01:14:33] you need to tell me [01:14:56] "make sure *you* know what *you* upgrade" [01:15:09] JohnLewis what do you mean? [01:15:38] how can I be more clear than make sure you know what you're doing [01:15:49] JohnLewis i do know what im doing :D [01:15:58] before i upgrade i look at the list of upgrades [01:16:02] good [01:16:18] anyways i told you which packages in -staff [01:39:12] :D paladox how's the upgrade? [01:39:36] I have to say, upgrading servers is one of my favorite things to do. [01:39:50] asheesh heh, going fine :) [01:39:54] Good :) [01:39:55] i have done them all now [01:40:06] If Debian gives you any trouble, I'm paulproteus@debian.org and can fix it, maaaaybe :) [01:40:07] only one caused service distruption. [01:40:17] heh [01:40:46] oh [01:40:48] thanks! [01:41:07] Do you ever dream of doing some kind of rolling Docker/kubernetes/cloud-load-balancer style upgrade? [01:41:20] Mostly just daydreaming myself. [01:41:33] heh nope, maybe stuff like "cloud-load-balancer" [01:42:02] Years and years ago, I thought it'd be cool to run some kind of public Linux server volunteer-run infra, and now I see y'all are basically doing that, so it's really nice to be here :) [01:42:40] heh [01:42:57] all those thanks go to JohnLewis and SPF|Cloud who made miraheze possible :) [01:43:05] :) [01:53:52] Ah thanks void! [01:54:12] np [01:54:26] because I'm lazy, I've set it to one week [01:54:32] :) [01:54:52] seems more useful than having to reset it daily [01:54:59] Yeh [01:55:00] Heh [02:04:49] BTW paladox where in the world are you? [02:05:19] (SF, CA, personally) [02:05:35] If you want advice on server stuff, feel free to ping. [02:06:04] asheesh: the U.K. [02:06:12] not far from JohnLewis :D [02:06:25] Seems like things are going fine, but figured I'd say that at least :) [02:06:27] Cool! [02:06:33] I used to live in Leicester, in like 1992. [02:06:45] Also this might be the part where I reveal myself as an old fogey. :) [02:06:47] Heh [02:06:49] asheesh: I used to live in Leicester like now :P [02:06:53] whoa [02:07:07] And I’m around a hour and a bit from it [02:07:17] Well hmm if you live near Hospital Close, or near the Waitrose about 1km from Hospital Close, then you're near where I used to be. [02:07:19] Rad [02:08:02] that's near the General right? [02:08:41] Yes! [02:09:02] I like near the Infirmary so other side :P [02:09:10] Bingo we have a winner :D [02:10:24] * paladox lives in northampton [02:11:13] egad JohnLewis :) [02:12:43] I wonder if I can chat from here. [02:12:50] NekoDesu: yes [02:13:09] @NekoDesu yes you can :) [02:13:18] Oh cool. I'm still having a nightmare of troubles from trying to recreate a wiki. [02:13:26] JohnLewis: well you're now helping me relive the ages of 6 and 7 for me, so this has suddenly become an extremely satisfying evening :) [02:14:08] haha, it was ruined for me when I moved here [02:14:30] because a few months before I moved here my favourite pub closed down :( [02:15:11] You have a favourite pub? [02:15:45] yeah they had a craft drink I liked [02:18:09] Heh [02:18:13] JohnLewis: craft? [02:18:25] That’s the first I herd a drink being called craft drink [02:19:22] it's a name for a traditional hand made drink [02:19:30] Oh [02:19:33] oh. [02:19:46] 8) [02:20:12] lol [02:21:33] There. Lol [02:27:24] man y'all are making me want to visit leicester :) [02:27:58] Heh [02:37:53] it's a good place if you ignore the recent rise in violent crime :P [02:38:06] (there you go, desire to visit maybe decreased) [02:38:07] My area has low crime :D [02:38:16] It’s in a nice area [02:38:38] paladox: your area has low crime rate because there's nothing worth stealing anymore [02:38:44] meh I live in San Francisco and used to live in Baltimore, and broadly speaking live in the USA; violent crime is pretty high here, I think [02:39:12] asheesh: if you love acid attacks or axes, come and visit :D [02:39:12] JohnLewis: are you sure? [02:39:17] The houses where I live [02:39:21] Are very expensive [02:39:28] JohnLewis: so long as you'll have a (non-craft?) drink with me, I'm in [02:39:36] just need to shop for cheap flights first :) [02:39:47] I wouldn't take Northampton for free :P [02:39:57] JohnLewis: free? [02:40:06] My area is outside of northampton hahahahaa [02:40:16] East Hunsbury it’s just outside the town [02:40:19] By a few mins [02:40:22] but still under the council! [02:40:35] It’s under Andrea leadsome ! [02:41:29] who dropped out of the conservative leadership race because people were pissed off she implied she was a better leader because shes a mother [02:41:49] JohnLewis: Andrea leadsome Lol [02:42:08] But still my area has low crime [02:42:32] Now if you go to some areas around northampton then good look to you :D [02:42:36] JohnLewis ^^ [02:44:16] asheesh: if you're ever in the area :P [02:45:00] :) sounds good [02:48:14] JohnLewis: why is crime so high in your area? [02:48:24] installs on misc1 http://www.ircd-hybrid.org/downloads.html [02:48:25] Title: [ : IRCD-Hybrid -- High Performance Internet Relay Chat : ] - www.ircd-hybrid.org [02:48:37] paladox: I live in the middle of a city? [02:48:55] Wait you live inside the city? [02:49:08] which has a high non-British ratio which given the recent increase in hate and race related crime [02:49:12] @NDKilla seems you left irc [02:49:24] yes, I live within the central ring road [02:49:27] that /is/ what happens when you type /quit afterall [02:49:55] I unfortunately can't just up and leave the discord, but I have this channel muted [02:50:13] JohnLewis: what’s the central ring road? [02:50:36] a road that encompasses the centre of the city :P [02:51:05] !nini [02:51:05] Good night, sweet dreams and dream of the miraheze servers without errors! [02:51:07] paladox: Google A594 [02:51:11] Ok [02:52:13] JohnLewis: you have a premiere inn!!!! [02:52:37] on intersection of the A594 and the A6 [02:53:12] The premiere inn in northampton is next to the queen Elenor [02:53:17] (Hungry bourse) [02:53:27] Hourse [02:54:33] JohnLewis: marks and Spencer’s closed in the northampton town center [02:57:27] @NDKilla you should rejoin irc! [02:59:37] nah [03:01:53] Is anyone moderately experienced dealing with wikis and importing things? [03:05:29] nekodesu: Yes, I am, but am not really a miraheze volunteer, but I'm sure others are. [03:05:32] Why do you ask? [03:06:02] I've been trying to recreate a wiki for a whie now but I'm stumbling with a lot of issues. [03:06:33] Which wiki? What are your issues? Have you tried exporting an XML dump yet? [03:06:57] The wiki already is gone and can only be found on Wayback Machine. [03:07:33] I'd contacted the person in charge and they don't mind me taking things from it except, I can only see bits and pieces. And my understanding for those is low. [03:08:18] That does sound tough. [03:08:37] I was able to find something about a wikidump and there is an XML in there. [03:08:38] It sounds like your best option is, for the pages you want to keep, importing them in as either raw HTML, or html converted to MediaWiki markup. [03:08:44] Oh wow! Do you have a link? [03:08:59] I downloaded it. It's 87 MB. [03:09:08] Wow! Cool! [03:09:38] Except, not all the extensions used are in Miraheze and some are straight-out unaddable, because of complications it would make for Miraheze. [03:09:55] So some templates (I don't know how many) need to be rebuilt. [03:10:39] My advice, personally, is that you should set up a new MediaWiki instance outside of miraheze, and import that XML snapshot. [03:10:39] And then, it's an outdated version of the wiki, and there's been lots of differences from the English and Japanese versions, making it so that they have to be fixed one way or another. [03:10:58] ; u ; I don't know how any of that works, I have no website experience. [03:11:00] And then figure out what to do about those extensions and the related data. [03:11:15] I was trying to look for an easier way out and thought Miraheze would be okay. [03:11:17] Oh gotcha :) [03:11:34] Except, now I have the task of trying to understand templates and I don't owo [03:11:37] Yeah - I mean, one option is to import the XML snapshot into Miraheze, and then figure out the rest once it's online. [03:11:49] If you're going to understand templates, you're going to have to invest some time. :) [03:11:55] It's up to you if that's worth it for you! [03:12:19] I really wished it was as simple and copy pasta done. [03:12:35] What is your reason for thinking that some extensions are going to be needed? [03:13:05] Wikiapiary fed me the extensions that they used. [03:13:35] One of which was "Semantic MediaWiki" and I tried to add it through a request, only to find that they wouldn't do it (For logical reasons on their part). [03:14:00] :) <3 semanticmediawiki [03:14:04] I used to use that back in the day [03:14:13] Are you sure that Miraheze can't support that on a per-wiki basis? [03:14:25] I have no idea; I'm just some Miraheze user; but maybe it can on a per-wiki basis [03:14:28] Nope, unfortunately! [03:14:46] I imagine this was probably really important to the wiki so I'm up a river without a paddle. [03:15:14] neko: owo [03:15:16] this person is cool [03:15:17] btw [03:15:20] apparently [03:15:20] 8) [03:18:09] Well, I see at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions that Miraheze doesn't support SemanticMediawiki [03:18:10] Title: [ Extensions - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [03:18:14] The amt of confuzxlement i have is large [03:19:13] Yep we declined it due to sw setup. @NDKilla will explain more [03:19:30] My request is that you file a new Phab ticket and CC me (@asheesh) (oh wait hmm paladox already said it won't work) [03:19:35] uh what do you mean i will explain more. [03:19:39] I dont mind but I do need to figure out how to deal with all of this wiki stuffs XD [03:19:43] i just closed a very new ticket for it [03:19:50] and just told them to check the other phab task i think [03:19:57] Your the one that closed it from 2016 :D [03:19:58] But the other thing NekoDesu is that it is possible for you to run your own MediaWiki (including SemanticMediaWiki) [03:20:04] And it’s 04:19am here [03:20:07] i dont know the reasoning [outside of general 'effort'] for not adding it [03:20:38] I don't have any hosting places and this would include a lot of files and idk how to manage and idk what is sql [03:20:41] and databases and etc [03:20:58] I used to be a huge SemanticMediaWiki user and have lots of fond memories so paladox if I can help, let me know, but I'm not saying that now necessarily is the right moment for that. [03:21:01] paladox youre wrong 8) [03:21:02] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T452#5946 [03:21:03] Title: [ ⚓ T452 SemanticWiki and SemanticResultsFormat Extension for aryaman.miraheze.org ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [03:21:40] Sorry @NDKIlla heh [03:21:43] I have a link to the most updated wiki that I'm simply trying to copy [03:21:45] I saw the other tasks [03:21:46] I also have substantial security experience and am willing to be roped-in to review things. [03:21:49] Except it doesn't have a template [03:21:54] asheesh: ah ok [03:22:04] (I wasent here when it was originally declined) [03:22:07] asheesh currently john (i think) labster and some dude i forgot the name of do security reviews [03:22:21] poke john (he'll probably make you demonstrate knowledge of php and common problems) and then yknow, you can do that [03:22:32] SMW is realistically blocked on https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3322 [03:22:33] Lemme link you guys the site and a sample page of a card [03:22:33] Title: [ ⚓ T3322 Extension installation on ManageWiki level ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [03:22:39] http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/ [03:22:40] Title: [ ΥХϥࡼwiki ] - seesaawiki.jp [03:22:47] http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/d/%8e%cd%8e%df%8e%c4%8e%d7%20%28%8e%da%8e%bc%8e%de%8e%aa%8e%dd%8e%c4%8e%de%29 [03:22:47] Title: [ ͎ߎĎ (ڎގݎĎ) - ΥХϥࡼwiki ] - seesaawiki.jp [03:23:15] (I dont' need all the bells and whistles on the page, but i do need a card system and that's essentially it, 2nd link) [03:23:29] Just a card database is what I'm aiming for. [03:23:41] does it have to look up data from somewhere [03:23:45] because that's all smw does basically [03:24:05] if you just want a template for formatting / infobox / whatever but youre fine with manually entering the data you can re-create the templates to not rely on other extensions [03:24:20] I don't mind reenterring the data manually yes [03:24:37] asheesh: we have vacancy! [03:24:43] except from what i know that site isnt built off mediawiki [03:24:52] so i'm screwed in that aspect [03:26:16] asheesh: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Vacancies [03:26:17] Title: [ Miraheze Vacancies - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [03:26:49] I'm on a ~2 month personal vacation from work, so I can probably review things between now and ~2 months from now, but I don't know about after that. [03:26:56] that page is so out of date [03:27:11] oof [03:27:19] JohnLewis is so out of date [03:28:05] JohnLewis: yes, certainly, we need more users to file feature suggestions for managewiki [03:28:22] So that You can take care of them :D [03:28:25] Actually speaking of JohnLewis being out of date [03:28:29] John's phabricator profile says "Ex-sysadmin, ex-steward who is giving up his time to contribute a wealth of knowledge to support Miraheze moving forward." [03:28:50] You only noticed that now? :D [03:29:01] ye [03:29:12] here let me help with that ./bin/remove destroy @John [03:29:13] @NDKilla i'll have you know I run the latest version of Debian Buzz [03:29:32] Lol [03:29:32] I kind of wished I recreated the wiki while it was still up. [03:29:38] JohnLewis: really? [03:29:47] Your running 10.0 or 11? [03:29:58] Debian Buzz is 1.1 xD [03:30:07] Lol [03:30:14] it was released in 1996 [03:30:25] Yeah, *I* know that name.... [03:30:27] JohnLewis: that’s oldddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddfddfdddddfxdddddd :D [03:30:32] now that i think about it, btw is there a maximum size for a wiki in miraheze ? [03:30:42] Nope [03:32:01] https://archive.org/details/wiki-wikirageofbahamutcom [03:32:03] Title: [ Wiki - Rage of Bahamut WIKI : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ] - archive.org [03:32:06] This was the link I grabbed the files from [03:32:21] JohnLewis: are you really sure your running 1.1? [03:32:30] idk how complete it is or if it is of any use at all [03:32:43] JohnLewis: the great thing about buzz is it uses ELF [03:32:53] no more a.out everywhere [03:33:31] sure gcc generates files called a.out but if you run file(1) against them you'll see they're really ELF files [03:36:10] BTW good news: we have a new Ian; he plays a mean game of Mao; see also http://www.asheesh.org/note/working-vacation/debconf-2011.html [03:36:12] * paladox goes - 04:35am in the morning [03:37:39] Paladox: take a joke xD [03:39:03] asheesh: gotta love some ELF [03:39:21] Is it typically this quiet in the chat? :o [03:40:17] afk zzz see y'all tomorrow [03:43:47]