but didn't close it. [16:35:34] or something similar [16:35:35] paladox: tsk tsk [16:35:40] paladox: so what can we do about that? [16:35:54] Reception123 nothing much, it said "Warning" [16:35:59] so it will still import the rest [16:36:09] it didn't [16:36:20] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/M1xsC4IK/ [16:36:20] ^ paladox [16:36:20] Title: [ Snippet | IRCCloud ] - www.irccloud.com [16:36:28] it says "Done" at the end but doesn't show any actual revs [16:36:44] [16:42:06] hm? [16:42:49] Reception123 did it import though? [16:42:52] or just failed [16:43:06] you may have to manually edit the dump and fix what it says if the import failed. [16:43:40] seems to have failed [16:48:40] paladox: it does have /mediawiki [16:48:55] ok, what about closing? [16:49:56] paladox: yes it does [16:50:02] hmm [16:50:07] paladox: maybe you could take a look since I'm unsure about where the error is [16:50:17] there isn't any mismatch [16:50:19] where is it? [16:50:31] ie file name + which mw? [16:50:35] (location) [16:50:49] /home/reception/wikiageingorg-20180805-history.xml [16:50:50] paladox: ^ [16:50:55] on mw1 [16:50:57] It’s in SAL [16:50:58] thanks [16:52:33] Reception123 did you look on the wiki you imported it to? [16:52:37] (to see if it worked)? [16:57:36] paladox: https://wikiageing.miraheze.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D9%83%D9%84_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA [16:57:37] Title: [ خطأ في السماح - wikiageing ] - wikiageing.miraheze.org [16:57:37] nope [16:57:43] this does not look like a 200 MB import [16:57:46] paladox: so it didn't [16:57:52] oh [16:58:02] Reception123 it could be revisions though [16:58:10] dosen't have to be tons of pages to cause 200mb [16:58:35] but i just looked [16:58:41] and none of them have large revision [16:58:57] i wonder if that user could make a new dump [16:59:00] of there wiki [17:00:04] paladox: ask them then :P [17:00:13] Reception123 ask where? [17:00:37] paladox: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3470 [17:00:38] Title: [ ⚓ T3470 cant upload a dump file ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [17:03:32] Reception123 i wonder if the mw version they use is old [17:03:44] paladox: 1.23 [17:03:47] according to the XML [17:03:51] that's oldddd [17:04:42] It was LTS IIRC [17:04:51] MacFan4000 still old :D [17:05:02] that was when they introduced i18n json files [17:06:42] lol yeah [17:06:50] Miraheze wasn't even a thing then [17:33:23] Hello [17:34:56] Hi AmandaCatherine [17:35:20] Lol what https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Zppix_is_Amanda%27s_Sockpuppet [17:35:21] Title: [ Global account information for Zppix is Amanda's Sockpuppet - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [17:35:29] WTF [17:35:37] Now attacking me and Zppix, yeesh [17:35:42] AmandaCatherine: I was wondering if you knew anything about that spam.. [17:36:06] Unfortunately not, other than that it’s likely Wikinger at work [17:36:22] Don’t know any other LTA’s who like to impersonate people like that [17:36:30] AmandaCatherine: Yes, you've told me about Wikinger, though I don't see any prior indications that they have something against you? [17:36:43] Do you have a link or something? It would be helpful [17:36:47] They don’t. They like to randomly attack and impersonate random people [17:37:24] AmandaCatherine: and why choose you? [17:37:31] they must know you from somewhere [17:37:50] They probably know LP/ILB and have followed me here [17:38:00] And even if it isn’t them, it would apply to anyone really [17:39:23] Looks like JohnLewis is on it though on both meta and loginwiki, so hopefully we can figure out who it is [17:39:45] 16:23 . . User account Lawrence-Praries out of prison (talk | contribs | block) was created ‎ [17:39:48] AmandaCatherine: this is also curious [17:39:50] Voidwalker is actually on it, I'm doing something difference [17:40:13] Someone is reading the IRC logs [17:40:18] Or hacking the emails [17:40:21] One or the other [17:40:53] I am confident that no staff emails have been hacked. [17:41:08] IRC logs.. has there been any mention of this in #miraheze? [17:41:15] my email cannot be hacked [17:41:20] Yes, briefly at various times [17:41:21] unless they get into yahoo [17:41:31] well it technically can, but it can't really without your knowledge [17:41:43] yeh yahoo sends me email [17:41:45] AmandaCatherine: yeah, but who stays and reads every IRC log just to find that small detail [17:41:48] when someone does [17:41:52] Some dedicated LTA [17:42:01] Believe me, I’ve seen worse [17:43:04] I’ve thought about it, and it essentially comes down to four possibilities: [17:43:21] 1). LP is spamming while in prison and therefore liable to get an extended sentence [17:43:30] 2). Wikinger is at work [17:43:46] 3). Some other LTA knows LP/ILB from somewhere and has followed me here [17:43:59] 4). They are bad-hand accounts of one or more of my ex-harassers [17:44:42] AmandaCatherine: 1) that would be very hard, and in that case maybe she should be reported 2) Possible 3) Possible but unlikely IMO 4) any examples you might want to share? (publicly or privately as you wish) [17:45:04] 5). It's someone take prime opportunity knowing they're unlikely to get caught and have someone to blame easily? [17:46:02] But who would that someone be? [17:46:23] No random person or spambot is going to have as much knowledge as these people seem to have [17:46:28] Literally anyone since you're an easy target. [17:47:11] I mean, it takes some dedication to read through the countless RFCs and IRC logs and whatnot [17:47:20] There's 19609 users on Miraheze, so a lot of people [17:47:21] It’s not something that someone controlling an automated spambot would likely do [17:50:20] No, it's clearly not automated [17:51:07] Exactly [17:56:01] it is possible to have this https://prnt.sc/khqib2 https://prnt.sc/khqj14 with the extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector ? [17:56:02] Title: [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - prnt.sc [17:56:03] Title: [ Screenshot by Lightshot ] - prnt.sc [17:56:04] Title: [ Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector - MediaWiki ] - www.mediawiki.org [17:56:50] JohnLewis ^^ as it's wmf it dosen't need a security review. [17:56:53] but needs your yes or no [17:57:05] why does it? it's WMF [17:57:12] afaik we have it alreayfd [17:57:13] paladox: If it's WMF, you don't need John's approval [17:57:14] *already [17:57:19] and yeah, I think we should have it [17:57:35] ok [17:57:35] paladox: check https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Version next time :) [17:57:37] Title: [ Version - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [17:57:47] Wiki-1776 it's installed :) [17:58:23] Reception123: it's installed as part of Translate so only wikis with Translate have it :P [17:59:31] Is https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3478 an operations issue? [17:59:31] Title: [ ⚓ T3478 Wiki URL change request ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [18:00:03] nope paladox https://repositorio.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:Versi%C3%B3n [18:00:05] Title: [ Versión - Repositorio ] - repositorio.miraheze.org [18:00:17] CRY [18:00:21] NOT IN [18:00:24] i nominate paladox [18:00:32] AmandaCatherine: yes, operations [18:00:36] I will take care of it [18:00:58] Would it also be considered a feature request or not? (Just trying to categorize it correctly) [18:00:59] Reception123 volunteerd as tribute [18:03:18] AmandaCatherine: technically yeah, it's Database, Operations tags [18:03:27] PuppyKun: I've been doing that for 3 years+ now :P [18:03:34] But not configuration tag? [18:03:41] possibly [18:03:48] any existing config pointing to the old db name needs to be updated [18:03:55] no existing config = no tho [18:05:00] + now many things are ManageWiki so that gets shifted when I rename it [18:08:02] !log MOVED adventuretimewiki to digimonwiki [18:08:06] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [18:08:54] hmm [18:09:36] So if possible? To request it in Phab. JohnLewis paladox [18:11:32] Wiki-1776: what is possible? [18:15:11] Abuse filters 19, 22, and 23 probably shouldn’t be global [18:15:13] ehm, me refería a personalizar la extensión [18:15:18] PuppyKun nominate paladox for what? [18:15:19] Since they’re only targeting issues on Meta [18:15:34] uh [18:16:20] .tell MacFan4000 When you are around, please check my ping in -staff [18:16:20] Reception123: I'll pass that on when MacFan4000 is around. [18:18:31] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3479 [18:18:32] Title: [ ⚓ T3479 Add Extension UniversalLanguageSelector on ManageWiki ] - phabricator.miraheze.org [18:39:52] AmandaCatherine: 19 and 22 are fine, Void removed 23 from global [18:40:30] tbh, I'm probably gonna remove 22 if nothing comes up in a month [18:42:30] We don’t need to stop External links on user pages globally [18:42:35] That’s only a Meta policy [18:43:19] pretty much 100% of all spam only accounts on miraheze hit that filter [18:43:21] just sayin [18:43:54] But that would also stop users trying to link to other legitimate websites who may not know about interwiki prefixes [18:44:26] it's very easy to bypass [18:44:56] If they know how [18:45:00] false positives are fairly rare, and usually get resolved before I notice [18:45:52] Why are we using global abuse filters for issues that usually only show up on Meta (spam-only accounts)? [18:46:17] because they don't usually show up on meta [18:46:48] The user creation log on Meta shows that a vast majority of locked spam only accounts are created there [18:47:04] Automatic account creations from another wiki don’t show up in RecentChanges [18:48:11] and the abuse log shows that 80% of those accounts attempted to spam wikis that are not meta [18:48:46] So you actually go around to random wikis and patrol their abuse logs to check for attempted spam? [18:49:04] global filters log to meta [18:49:22] I just see a bunch of filter hits on Meta [18:50:10] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNd3L [18:50:12] [02miraheze/services] 07MirahezeSSLBot 030199239 - BOT: Updating services config for wikis [18:51:49] Also, spam doesn’t answer to why filters 11, 12, 13, 14, 19, and 22 are all global [18:51:57] When only filters 1 and 18 are targeting spam [18:53:27] 11 - sorta spam. 12 - ToS 13 - logging common spam behaviour 14 - never really need, usually always spam 19/22 - as before [18:54:03] Spam only accounts don't only show up on meta [18:54:11] in fact probably most of them don't. [18:54:21] We get hit by the LTA and stuff but a lot of the real spam is on random, mostly dormant wikis [18:55:05] So Miraheze doesn’t allow users to use their wikis to advertise their companies/products/whatever [18:55:09] and is probably the only think keeping them active :P [18:55:49] AmandaCatherine: nope [18:55:57] That is not what was said or implied at all [18:56:04] contrary to point 1 of the Content Policy [18:56:38] Technically the /primary/ point can't be commercial. [18:56:41] So no they can't advertise. [18:56:55] Yes they can have legitimate in-context links. [18:57:12] You act like having thousands of wikis literally only being prevented from getting deleted because of active spam bots is a good thing. [18:57:56] Not necessarily a good thing, but IMHO if a wiki is dormant and someone wants to adopt it as an advertising platform for their company, that should be allowed [18:58:07] Should go for new wikis too [18:59:20] what [18:59:21] no [18:59:40] "The primary purpose of your wiki cannot be for commercial activity." [18:59:45] I respectfully disagree with that clause [18:59:46] also why wouldnt the person just get a new wiki [18:59:49] Well [19:00:00] You don't really get a say in the matter, frankly. [19:00:18] We're not here to host spammy links to questionable-at-best sites. [19:00:19] Was the content policy even an RFC? [19:00:38] It's literally part of the terms of what we host. [19:01:01] AFAIK no, it wasn't, but not every policy has to be. [19:01:17] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#9b._Content [19:01:18] Title: [ Terms of Use - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [19:01:22] We just don't want to host certain content. [19:01:40] IMHO any global policies that are going to be as stringent;y enforced as the content policy is should’ve been an RFC [19:02:08] wat [19:02:20] the net provide boot [19:02:46] likeeeeeee [19:02:54] I'm sorry we're not here to pleasure the people behind spambots. [19:04:31] Dumb transmissions errors [19:05:30] tbh the policy was enacted as part of the ToS re-write and the community was given the chance to comment on it [19:05:44] the content policy is just a user-friendly version of what is in the ToS [19:06:10] PuppyKun: do you honestly think that I’m the one operating spambots? [19:06:30] JohnLewis: where was the opportunity to comment? [19:07:01] it was on the talk page of it while it was in labster userspace, it was advertised in a global notice for a week [19:07:26] AmandaCatherine: no? [19:07:32] although afaik, no comment was ever given [19:07:38] I was implying that allowing the spam posted by spambots to allow would be pleasing to them, not you. [19:08:40] either way, no one is interested in pages full of spam to random sites [19:09:25] There’s a difference between “spam to random sites” and “legitimate advertising of a legitimate company” [19:11:59] afact, the latter has never really been at our attention [19:13:05] It seems to constantly be at the WMF’s attention [19:13:09] Across multiple projects [19:14:22] But no one is interested in advertising.. and as they said it's against the Content Policy [19:14:34] I don't want userpages saying "Hey look at my site promotion101.com" [19:14:38] userpages are for info about a user [19:14:44] ""The primary purpose of your wiki cannot be for commercial activity."" [19:14:46] also what reception said [19:14:59] There's a difference between a wiki like documenting a company or being used internally maybe even [19:15:04] 15:13 @Reception123: I don't want userpages saying "Hey look at my site promotion101.com" [19:15:04] and something along the lines of [19:15:17] That’s different than an “about us” page of a company [19:15:20] "CALL 1-800-BUY-OURSHITNOW AND VISIT https://MYCOMPANY.ORG for great things!" [19:15:32] AmandaCatherine: so you're agreeing with us? [19:15:40] Nobody said you can't mention a company, link to it, or talk about the company. [19:15:48] We just don't want "advertisements" that our ads for our users. [19:15:52] But in a way, that’s also advertising [19:15:58] ... [19:15:59] what PuppyKun said ^ [19:16:07] I don't think anybody hardline said "no advertising, period" [19:16:15] we're saying no spammy commericial content. [19:16:26] yes [19:16:29] your wiki CAN contain commercial things too. it cant be the sole purpose of it [19:16:41] I've seen a few users say "hey check out my wiki ..." that's perfectly fine [19:16:53] but telling people and instructing people GO CHECK OUT MY SITE NOW in all caps [19:17:05] is not "friendly" advertising and is considered spam [19:17:25] if it's aggressive advertising then it's unacceptable [19:17:28] Asking other people on Miraheze to check out their Miraheze wiki is one thing. Using Miraheze as your company’s website is something else [19:17:35] But the latter is not (always) spam [19:18:24] AmandaCatherine: find me a case where it isn't [19:18:33] afaik the vast majority is [19:18:56] All companies have websites [19:19:01] A restaurant is a company [19:19:12] So is a supermarket or a clothing store [19:19:31] Those aren’t spam [19:20:20] using Miraheze as a provided service isn't but using it soley to advertise your other site is against the rules [19:20:41] we have a good SEO and web search standing so less popular sites on Google can use Miraheze to bolster their search ranking [19:21:26] we're not a free advertising company [19:21:41] if people want to advertise their companies and that's all they want, they should go somewhere else [19:21:42] that's not our scope [19:21:45] For the record, we're also not a paid advertising company [19:22:06] We don't plaster ads for other people on our site the same reason we wont do it for our users ;P [19:23:20] we're also non-profit.. why let people *profit* of us by placing ads [19:25:36] True [19:28:54] rip [19:28:59] wc [19:31:33] ??? [19:31:56] !log added Paladox as a designated admin on the linked in page, or something [19:32:00] Logged the message at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_admin_log, Master [19:32:21] I feel like we need a log for things we do that are moderately important but also not related to server access [19:32:27] heh [19:32:51] yeah [19:39:38] GTG [20:50:30] Hey all - I have been love miraheze, and I used to keep a personal travel notes + recipes wiki online, and now I want to do that again, and I want to ask: would it be acceptable to use miraheze to host a personal wiki that hosts my travel notes + recipes, with minor collaboration from friends? [20:50:49] s/have been love/have been loving/ [20:50:49] asheesh meant to say: Hey all - I have been loving miraheze, and I used to keep a personal travel notes + recipes wiki online, and now I want to do that again, and I want to ask: would it be acceptable to use miraheze to host a personal wiki that hosts my travel notes + recipes, with minor collaboration from friends? [20:51:00] asheesh yup [20:51:33] Sounds great. Maybe I'll request that over the next few days etc. Thanks! [23:08:12] What does that say....... [23:11:08] that looks like ascii art [23:11:28] but not [23:12:25] Heh [23:15:35] PROBLEM - misc1 Puppet on misc1 is WARNING: WARNING: Puppet last ran 1 hour ago [23:21:33] RECOVERY - misc1 Puppet on misc1 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures [23:36:39] [02miraheze/ManageWiki] 07JohnFLewis pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±2] 13https://git.io/fNd4F [23:36:40] [02miraheze/ManageWiki] 07JohnFLewis 0372e8e2f - add support for matrix [23:37:53] [02miraheze/mw-config] 07JohnFLewis pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/fNd4b [23:37:55] [02miraheze/mw-config] 07JohnFLewis 0370c92f2 - add basic docs, no more restricted stuff [23:45:01] PROBLEM - test1 Puppet on test1 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Puppet has 1 failures. Last run 3 minutes ago with 1 failures. Failed resources (up to 3 shown): Exec[git_pull_MediaWiki config] [23:53:02] RECOVERY - test1 Puppet on test1 is OK: OK: Puppet is currently enabled, last run 1 minute ago with 0 failures