[00:00:31] Command sent from Discord by Doug: [00:00:31] .mhca Apparently my name violates the rules [00:00:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Apparently_my_name_violates_the_rules [00:01:32] Lol [00:01:45] If only that was actually a violation [00:01:56] Edit seems fine, but strange username, to say the least. [00:14:29] Seems like a good-faith username if you ask me. Nothing wrong with having such a weird name like that. [00:31:16] I'm not sure if this is in the reach of you guys, but a ton of innocent users just got blocked out of pure spite on a "wiki" called "SephSpace". From what I can tell, the blocker did this without permission from anyone else. Link: https://sephspace.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/block [00:31:17] [ Torture log - Seph's Space of Craziness ] - sephspace.miraheze.org [00:32:52] CVT team would know better than me, but it sounds like a local issue. [00:33:33] I dont think we should act there. [00:45:34] I mentioned this earlier to Doug, and there's not much else to do. However, I consider those blocks against us to be extremely malicious. [07:40:06] @DarkMatterMan4500 its not against policy, and honestly, I understand why they did it [07:40:29] None of their blocks violate CoC either [10:21:18] Yeah, as long as the blocks they made against us from Qualitipedia are not inappropriate. [15:11:04] In addition to what others have said ^, this is a dispute between two Reception wiki (or Qualitipedia wiki, I guess since that's your new branding) factions, so it would be inappropriate to intervene based on the report(s) of a member of one of the factions [15:15:14] Yeah, it wouldn't be fair for Stewards or GS to "take sides" based on what one side reports to them [15:24:41] Yep, 💯. Potentially, I could see Stewards being asked to mediate this dispute between the factions and recommend solutions, if both sides felt that would be useful. Stewards could also refer it up the the Code of Conduct Commission, potentially, too, if it were a complicated case. [15:29:18] What I find inappropriate, to be honest, is that they are using several MW interface messages in a way which kind of violates the CoC. See https://sephspace.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Blockedtext, for example. [15:29:19] [ MediaWiki:Blockedtext - Seph's Space of Craziness ] - sephspace.miraheze.org [15:30:02] Sadly, that is not the only wiki with that type of use (I personally consider that misuse) of interface messages. [15:30:16] *that to be [15:34:57] R4356th, I don't really like that either, tbh, (i.e., "kill" instead of "block"). It seems to be either (a) joke or (b) adopting chat platform terminology for blocking a user [15:37:38] Yeah, I agree, not great at all [15:55:56] So how are you guys going to resolve this dispute? [16:06:01] DarkMatterMan4500, well, we'd probably want to wait for a member of the other faction to complain about your faction, then we'd likely decide as a team whether to be involved in the mediation and recommendation of solutions, or to refer it up to an external dispute resolution body [16:07:20] @Doug Have you also noticed the block log was changed to the Torture log? [16:10:07] DarkMatterMan4500, yes, and while not great, it's not terrible, either, as it seems to have been developed in a satirical / dark humour context. [16:27:06] And how is that not an edge-case CoC violation? [16:27:26] The wiki admins should be warned. [17:00:08] It's a complicated case; the wiki itself was approved questionably, despite some reservations from one or more wiki creators, if I'm remembering correctly. Plus, I don't really see that as a CoC violation given that the satirical context. Plus, I don't feel it's appropriate to provide one-off warnings without a full examination of administrators' behaviour on wikis from/of both factions [18:30:28] > It's a complicated case; the wiki itself was approved questionably, despite some reservations from one or more wiki creators, if I'm remembering correctly. Plus, I don't really see that as a CoC violation given that the satirical context. Plus, I don't feel it's appropriate to provide one-off warnings without a full examination of administrators' behaviour on wikis from/of both factions @Doug Although I have [18:30:28] questionably blocked other users in the past, but I have unblocked them by your request. [18:35:01] > The wiki admins should be warned. @R4356th I was a former admin of that wiki before I was blocked by EijiZeBoi for allegedly being part of the "Reception Wiki Admin genocide". That right there, makes no sense. Genocide involves killing of other people, not a website. [18:43:43] well yes, the term genocide specifically refers to killing a large group of people who come from a particular group, nation, race. so indeed, I don't see how the term can be applied to anything other than killing in the literal sense [18:44:16] but I agree with Doug that I don't feel that warrants a warning without closely examining the context [19:06:02] The reason why he blocked all of us is because the admins (which includes me and DarkMatterMan) on our wikis blocked him for causing drama and contributing to almost nothing positive or productive. So in turn, he blocked all of us, including innocent users who had no involvement in his block, out of revenge. I tried seeing if he discussed this and got permission from other admins on SephSpace to block all those users, [19:06:03] but found nothing. [19:35:35] > The reason why he blocked all of us is because the admins (which includes me and DarkMatterMan) on our wikis blocked him for causing drama and contributing to almost nothing positive or productive. So in turn, he blocked all of us, including innocent users who had no involvement in his block, out of revenge. I tried seeing if he discussed this and got permission from other admins on SephSpace to block all those [19:35:35] users, but found nothing. @DeciduousWater534 We should find a solution to this problem, so no fights will break out. [19:44:29] @DeciduousWater534 and @DarkMatterMan4500, to be honest, I think the solution here would see each of the factions stick to their own wikis, unblocking each other provider each sticks to their own wikis. Feel free to reach out to a representative of the other Reception wiki faction via a user talk page on which you're not blocked or using Special:EmailUser. If none of those options are available, you can propose it on Meta or ask for an [19:44:29] uninvolved representative to serve as your special envoy [19:45:09] s/provider/provided [19:45:09] dmehus meant to say: @DeciduousWater534 and @DarkMatterMan4500, to be honest, I think the solution here would see each of the factions stick to their own wikis, unblocking each other provided each sticks to their own wikis. Feel free to reach out to a representative of the other Reception wiki faction via a user talk page on which you're not blocked or using Special:EmailUser. If none of those options are available, you can propose it on [19:45:57] and by Meta, I mean their user talk page on Meta [19:46:46] > and by Meta, I mean their user talk page on Meta @Miraheze-IRC Oh, I thought you were suggesting for us to use the Requests for Comments page. [19:49:05] I would've added that making such proposal on there would be too weak of a reason to add on there. [19:55:29] DarkMatterMan4500, nope not needed for that. Basically, try and use the other Reception wiki user's local user talk page or Special:EmailUser page where possible, but if there's no place where you can mutually discussion a mutual interaction avoidance solution in exchange for unblocking each other, you can use said representative's user talk page on Meta [19:56:19] > @DarkMatterMan4500 nope not needed for that. Basically, try and use the other Reception wiki user's local user talk page or Special:EmailUser page where possible, but if there's no place where you can mutually discussion a mutual interaction avoidance solution in exchange for unblocking each other, you can use said representative's user talk page on Meta @Miraheze-IRC I'll go for Meta instead as Emailing [19:56:19] would be unnecessary for me. [19:57:21] DarkMatterMan4500, have you checked all the local wikis where a representative of that faction and you are not blocked? I'd try that first [20:31:48] Okay then. [21:59:00] Just an FYI @Doug, I'm a bureaucrat of the loathsomecharacterswiki now, so it wouldn't necessarily be needed. (Responding to your question.) [21:59:34] DarkMatterMan4500, yeah, but you're also a `sysop`, which is why I referred Trashanimal to you [21:59:48] $log Reverted vandalism and protected page at [[m:Meta:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed]] in lieu of locally available administration. [[m:Stewards|Steward]] action [21:59:53] Saved item "Reverted vandalism and protected page at [[m:Meta:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed]] in lieu of locally available administration. [[m:Stewards|Steward]] action" [22:00:33] Yes, the opposite is also true. [22:00:47] Yeah, you hold both roles. :) [22:05:10] I've blocked Corinne The Mermaid Of The Dreams for being a suspected sock of Dopictures, but now I'm asking for Dopictures to confirm it, so we may have something to work with. [22:05:59] Okay, as I told Trashanimal, I didn't see enough similarity in those two users' edits, but you may have looked through more of their edits than I [22:06:13] Yes.