[00:15:44] @R4356th and @DarkMatterMan4500 That username is a bit bizarre, and it sounds more spammy than a UP violation. I don't really think it needs a warning, but I guess it's within the realm of possibility. I'm willing to assume good-faith here until they show us they're a VOA or something [00:18:24] @R4356th I've followed up with Materialscientist again. If no account confirmation provided within 24-36 hours, I'll lock as impersonation attempt. [00:55:03] Hey Dmehus, have you checked the Crappy GachaTubers Wiki? I've noticed some violations that the wiki has. [02:39:40] @DarkMatterMan4500, Hrm? Like what? [02:41:09] https://crappygachatuberswiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Tummy_Growls_Gacha This article right here seems to have no sources, but rather has insults such as "She claims that she's 13, but she doesn't act like it, making her a Womanchild", "When she Discovered this page, she Vandalized it as you can see here, luckily, the changes were reverted She also raged at this page, you can see it in the comments", etc. There's more on the [02:41:09] articles you can find on the home page. [02:41:10] [ Tummy Growls Gacha - Crappy GachaTubers Wiki ] - crappygachatuberswiki.miraheze.org [02:42:08] And this one right here seems like an odd way of insulting a user in an article about this said user: "No calling me Tummkiko or Sarkiko (We can call you a kiko whenever we want to, even though the kiko terms are old, and this also proves that you cannot handle hate)" [04:33:48] It's not resolved until they respond to my talk page message with an account confirmation. [09:50:49] Materialscientist's case is now closed. [09:56:27] And generally, if user linkong Contributions or user page, he is imposter in 99% of cases. [10:16:23] Okay. [10:17:59] You can't just lock someone based on your assumptions. [10:18:35] it was general note... [10:35:34] But hold on. Doesn't he have the right to appeal? [10:36:13] Why he should have right to appeal? [10:37:16] Well, what if it was an error? All users should reserve the right to appeal unless otherwise stated. [10:37:54] Did you view the real Materialscientist's WP talk page? [10:38:00] error? [10:38:02] omg [10:38:19] what you talking about? @DarkMatterMan4500 [10:41:47] @MrJaroslavik Don't get me wrong: Some users do deserve to get locked for various reasons. But however, the user can file an appeal by emailing the stewards, which would make sense if their lcok was received in error. [10:42:13] Why impostor should have right to appeal? [10:42:37] if someone have at least one reason, give me it [10:43:43] Well, what if it turns out to be wrong? I think this conversation has ran its course, so should we conclude this conversation before it gets out of hand? [10:44:45] at least one reason why imposters should have right tom appeal, that is all [10:46:03] Okay, never mind. Let's just drop it before it goes too far. [10:46:22] ok [11:41:11] Hold on, I read what you and Materialscientist wrote on Wikipedia, and I'm glad we could resolve this issue. He confirmed that the account Miraheze was indeed not him, and I'm glad I was wrong. [12:56:20] [[Special:CentralAuth/Mirahazed]] This account doesn't seem to be in good-faith, is it? :/ [12:56:20]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Mirahazed [12:56:21] [ Global account information for Mirahazed - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [12:57:48] 111 seconds? Like why don't you give it some time? [12:58:11] https://besttvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=One_Piece&diff=prev&oldid=60560 [12:58:12] [ Difference between revisions of "One Piece" - Best TV Shows Wiki ] - besttvshows.miraheze.org [12:58:27] [[w:AP:AGF]] [12:58:28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP:AGF [12:58:37] *WP [13:00:43] I know, but it seems weird that someone would name themselves like Mirahazed (which seems like it seems to be trying to spoof the name Miraheze). :/ [15:24:12] I think we need to launch an investigation against the LTA attackers who are still attacking the Chaku Wiki. It's getting to that breaking point. https://chakuwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0/newusers Well, what do you think? Give it the go-ahead or wait till there's more? [15:24:13] [ アカウント作成記録 - chakuwiki ] - chakuwiki.miraheze.org [17:52:24] [Special:CentralAuth/NintendoIsEvil]] [[Special:CentralAuth/CancelNintendo]] I have a feeling that these 3 accounts were only created as a trolling-only account. Check out the comments log on Crappy Games Wiki and Awesome Games Wiki. One of them actually mentions something about boycotting Nintendo over games they produce. I don't know about you guys, but what do you think of those usernames? [17:52:24]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/NintendoIsEvil https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/DestroyNintendo https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/CancelNintendo [17:52:25] [ Global account information for NintendoIsEvil - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [17:52:26] [ Global account information for DestroyNintendo - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [17:52:27] [ Global account information for CancelNintendo - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [18:16:44] @DarkMatterMan4500 personally, I don't think the simple fact that their username says something against a company isn't enough for a lock [18:17:05] since the supposed trolling has only occurred on one wiki, a local block should be enough to contain them [18:17:18] as always, if they do continue on other wikis they would likely be locke [18:19:50] Alright. Sounds good. https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/%E3%83%90%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC Also, This account does need to be globally locked as what Bakaba stated in his report on the Stewards' Noticeboard. Lately, Bakaba's wiki, the Chaku Wiki has been under attack by a bunch of LTAs, and this user did it cross-wiki. [18:19:52] [ Global account information for バスター - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [18:20:59] is there any proof of cross-wiki vandalism? [18:21:20] I can't really see it from CA, it seems to be an LTA, if so I'll need to know the original account and proof it's them [18:22:16] https://newusopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/%E3%83%90%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC https://chakuwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/%E3%83%90%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC Also, you can check out Bakaba's report on there if you need to see it. [18:22:18] [ バスターの投稿記録 - ウソペディア ] - newusopedia.miraheze.org [18:22:19] [ バスターの投稿記録 - chakuwiki ] - chakuwiki.miraheze.org [19:01:06] ^ All users in theory have a right to appeal. @DarkMatterMan4500 is correct. That being said, someone who has repeatedly insisted they're the English Wikipedia user, even doubling and tripling down on that statement, would have an exceedingly difficult/near impossible chance of a successful appeal as they've significantly broken the community's level of trust. My preference would've been to use the boilerplate [[m:Username Policy|Username [19:01:06] Policy]] violation lock reason, but that's sort of meh. [19:02:16] dmehus: which ones are you referring to here? [19:02:26] since there's been multiple reports just want to make sure [19:02:28] For clarification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Materialscientist#Miraheze [19:02:29] [WIKIPEDIA] User talk:Materialscientist#Miraheze | "..." [19:02:43] oh, thanks @Void 🙂 [19:03:31] if that's what Doug meant then yeah, if it was just a coincidence something could be figured out but if the user deceived us and even doubled down on their misleading/false statements, there's little sympathy to be had for them [19:04:27] I talked about Materialscientist's case only. [19:04:59] @Reception123 yes that's what I was referring to. I just wanted to correct a statement that was said earlier that the user has no appeal chance. Appeal success is about 0.00000001%, but every user always has the right to appeal. [19:05:21] Oh ok yeah, they can try all they want but the chances of it getting accepted are definitely extremely low [19:05:23] (or less) :P ^ [19:05:30] but no one can prevent someone from writing an email can we 😛 [19:05:31] yes [19:05:37] yeah [19:06:16] and I mean if they come back in 3-6 months as a legitimate user, not impersonating an existing user and behaving in line with community norms, they can do that [19:07:50] Also there's instance named "clear start". [19:08:15] *clean [19:08:22] yeah in this case a clean start would make more sense [19:08:54] But not with username of another WP sysop... [19:11:15] lol yes 😄 [19:11:48] yes, of course that's why I said "not impersonating an existing user" (on Miraheze, Wikimedia, etc.) [19:12:52] and if Materialscientist (the real one) desired to join Miraheze, after confirming his intention to do so, he could request usurpation of the fake "Materialscientist" username [21:44:32] @Doug [[Special:CentralAuth/Mirahazed]] Do you think this account should be warned for being a spoofed account out of Miraheze? [21:44:32]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Mirahazed [21:44:34] [ Global account information for Mirahazed - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [21:47:36] @DarkMatterMan4500 Nah, that's a bit weak, tbh. The only similarity is "Mira" and that could be anything. [21:48:16] Oh. Because last thing I remember, there was a similar account called Mirahaze that was globally locked, so I thought this account would apply. [21:49:11] @DarkMatterMan4500 I remember that instance, but the circumstances were different ("Miraheze" was actually used in the username) [21:52:45] Oh, interesting. Also, Bakaba, has lately been under attack by more than just 1 LTA account targeting the Chaku Wiki, and he/she wanted this investigation to go right ahead. Examples would have to be this one: https://chakuwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E6%8A%95%E7%A8%BF%E8%A8%98%E9%8C%B2/%E5%9B%9B%E5%88%86%E5%84%80%E3%81%A9%E3%81%AE And I've been checking the User Creation Logs for over a week to see if [21:52:45] anymore come to attack the wiki: https://chakuwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0/newusers [21:52:46] [ 四分儀どのの投稿記録 - chakuwiki ] - chakuwiki.miraheze.org [21:52:49] [ アカウント作成記録 - chakuwiki ] - chakuwiki.miraheze.org [21:53:22] $log Deleted local user pages of [[m:Username Policy|Username Policy]] violating impersonation only account [[meta:User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] on [[mh:horriblemusicandsongs|horriblemusicandsongswiki]][[mh:trollpedia|trollpediawiki]]. [[m:Stewards|Steward]] action [21:53:26] Saved item "Deleted local user pages of [[m:Username Policy|Username Policy]] violating impersonation only account [[meta:User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] on [[mh:horriblemusicandsongs|horriblemusicandsongswiki]][[mh:trollpedia|trollpediawiki]]. [[m:Stewards|Steward]] action" [21:55:27] dmehus: is it worth a CU to see whose behind that account? [21:55:57] A CheckUser of some sort? [21:56:45] CU = CheckUser [21:56:59] I'm just sleepy and couldn't be btoehred typing more letters [21:57:47] I knew what it meant. Are you planning to see who was hiding behind that fake MaterialScientist account? [22:00:59] I'm asking if it's worth it [22:01:19] Oh. [22:01:48] I don't have the authority to do a CheckUser unless (until April) you're breaking the ToU [22:02:03] And even then I'd much rather a Steward handled it where possible [22:02:27] I wouldn't even want to break the ToU anyway. [22:02:49] I mean we do have a ToU banned user whose known for impersonating people [22:02:56] But that doesn't match their style at all [22:03:22] And there's no emergency or reason why a steward can't do it as I would have the exact same tools as dmehus [22:03:32] You probably won't reveal it anyway, right? [22:04:06] We could link accounts [22:04:10] @RhinosF1 Can you DM me? [22:04:12] I can't tell you any PII [22:04:27] I can [22:04:35] But you're always welcome to if I'm awake [22:04:57] It's for the best of everyone's interest for them to not know it. That's perfectly fine. [22:07:04] Yeah, you don't want the abuse that comes with dealing with these people [22:07:34] I'm glad there's people like you who know what needs to be done. [22:08:43] There should be a proper trained team soon who should be able to provide support on ToU matters [22:08:53] They can probably help write guidance [22:09:01] And work with stewards [22:09:28] * RhinosF1 wouldn't say he knows what he's doing, he's just good at making things up as he goes along and looking confident [22:10:02] What do you mean by that? :/ [22:10:12] By which part [22:10:24] The trained team or me making up what I'm doing as I go along [22:10:31] The latter. [22:11:21] The latter is that I don't really know what I'm doing half the time. I just know how to think on my feet and make it look like I do. [22:11:32] Oh. [22:54:11] [[Special:CentralAuth/Tummy Growls Gacha]] While there are some content on the Crappy GachaTubers Wiki that do have some problematic violations in terms of articles, this account was created on January 3rd, 2021 only to vandalize a page involving her. I'm not really sure on how we can approach this. The wiki on its own has said violations as I stated earlier. [22:54:12]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Tummy_Growls_Gacha [22:54:13] [ Global account information for Tummy Growls Gacha - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [23:06:41] [[Special:CentralAuth/REALtheryan26]] Sorry if I am writing this again, but this looks like an attempted impersonation to me. [23:06:41]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/REALtheryan26 [23:06:43] [ Global account information for REALtheryan26 - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [23:36:47] @DarkMatterMan4500 No. There's obviously bound to be some good-faith duplicate in Wikimedia usernames with Miraheze usernames where the same user is not behind both accounts, so profile of the Wikimedia user (not necessarily whether they are a `sysop`) matters as well [23:37:05] s/duplicate/duplication [23:37:06] dmehus meant to say: @DarkMatterMan4500 No. There's obviously bound to be some good-faith duplication in Wikimedia usernames with Miraheze usernames where the same user is not behind both accounts, so profile of the Wikimedia user (not necessarily whether they are a `sysop`) matters as well [23:39:32] @DarkMatterMan4500 Regarding the `chakuwikiwiki` report ^, as that's a non-English wiki, I'm hesitant to involve myself in any reports as it's very difficult to ascertain context. I will wait for Bekaba to report any suspected LTAs / global policy violations [23:39:36] Oh. Sounds fair to me.