[00:40:29] @CVT https://unfavorablefandomwikis.miraheze.org/wiki/Inkster_(2020-present)#comment-2293 some user named AlxLion made this offensive comment: "How do you idiots like it if you were harassed? Drink poison and blow it out of your ass, CastrateLord" [00:40:34] [ Inkster (2020-present) - Unfavorable Wikis and Users Wiki ] - unfavorablefandomwikis.miraheze.org [00:42:37] Wait, there's more: He told HellLord to "Eat Lead and Die! fucking stupid whore" [00:46:02] Hello? [00:48:58] @Hookuai i Don't think that comment will be Punishable But its best to ignore it [00:49:31] i blocked him on this wiki [00:49:59] Ok that is the best thing you can do [00:50:08] @Hookuai and if you need some filters i can add some [01:02:58] @Hookuai, that may well be that AxlLion's comments are problematic, but so too was HellLord's block summary. There were some concerns related to civility and the Code of Conduct in that block summary. It is best to read this essay...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_feed_the_trolls, and just ignore, locally blocking if required. Unless you have evidence that this user is a single-purpose vandalism only account causing problems on [01:02:58] two or more wikis, that's really all that's required. Hope this helps. [01:12:05] I think he's fitted more off as a vandalism only account [01:42:22] @Hookuai I haven't looked specifically at his other contributions on other wikis, so that can definitely be looked at. [06:42:16] I feel like that isn't death threats considered trollism and vandalism? [13:00:22] i would consider it trolling @Hookuai [13:29:26] Death threats are never okay, but it really matters on the context surrounding said threats, and also how specific they are. It's nonetheless a Code of Conduct issue, but the range of possible sanctions can range from a very firm warning on the one end to blocking or locking on the other. For credible, specific, and immediate threats of harm, tech@miraheze.org will receive the fastest response, but like calling 911 for [13:29:26] non-emergencies, you should not report something that isn't likely to be a credible or specific threat. If in doubt, you can DM any system administrator, and they will clarify for you. If it is serious enough, they will take action themselves. If it is not, they will let you know of possible next steps you can take in terms of reporting to stewards/Global Sysops. [14:37:32] indeed [17:39:15] @Doug: death threats need to go to @Owen [17:39:30] Please even if you do email tech@ always cc owen@ on them [17:53:19] @RhinosF1 Yeah, I was just giving general information; nothing specific enough to warrant e-mailing `tech@miraheze.org`, as far as I can tell. Had @Reception123 take a look at my above general informational message. [17:53:57] yeah, good idea to also email the board/Owen if there's a serious death threat [17:55:11] @RhinosF1 @Reception123 yeah, exactly...I think this was just a case of someone passively, although highly inappropriately, saying something like "I wish you were dead" or something like that, so more of a CoC issue in this case [17:55:37] Stewards can handle [17:55:41] yeah [17:55:50] Unless it's credible, we won't get involved [17:57:12] yeah, I was just trying to tell Hookuai that if he's uncertain whether it's serious enough to warrant sysadmin attention, he can always ask a sysadmin for clarification, but to avoid reporting non-serious/credible threats to tech@miraheze.org. [17:58:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443926951292567562/754400626003148920/Screenshot_20200912-125730.png [17:58:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443926951292567562/754400626892472510/Screenshot_20200912-125746.png [17:59:05] There are images of what AlxLion said to HellLord [18:01:51] @Hookuai I don't see any death threat there, credible or otherwise. [18:02:02] I see a lot of uncivil commentary from both sides, to be honest. [18:02:07] Look at AlxLion's comment [18:02:36] Can you screenshot the exact comment for me? [18:02:47] I'm on a desktop PC and pinch-and-zoom doesn't work so good. [18:03:23] Im going to see if i can read them Hold up [18:03:25] Oh, [18:03:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443926951292567562/754401792644743178/20200912_130217.png [18:03:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443926951292567562/754401792808190083/20200912_130230.png [18:03:41] The other one that HellLord said was a threat from AlxLion [18:03:54] it does not look like any threats to me just a Argument [18:04:15] @Hookuai That's not a death threat. That's "drink poison and blow it out your ass." Uncivil. Nothing more than a GS or steward deletion is required here, assuming local admins haven't taken action on this. [18:04:30] To me, it's more of death wishing/homicidal thinking [18:04:33] i would recommend ignoring it, blocking the user and moving on and if they keep going block them [18:04:52] > To me, it's more of death wishing/homicidal thinking @Hookuai Be real. That's drama mongering and you know it. [18:05:01] Ah, I see [18:05:06] It's inappropriate hyperbole. [18:05:15] Okay. [18:05:32] Just locally block, and revdel the comment. [18:06:13] ok i am going idle again ping me if you need me [18:06:18] I did, removed comment [18:06:35] @Hookuai That's great. 🙂 [18:06:52] it is best to also not feed onto to the behavior as well such as replying to the comments [18:08:52] > Possible Vandalism? on unfavorablefandomwikiswiki: MeMeGuYWasLost edited [[Special:Log/comments]] add : summary MeMeGuYWasLost posted a new comment on [[Inkster (2020-present)]]: Fuckster. @CVT Actually, this is harassment. [18:08:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/comments [18:08:53] [ All public logs - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [18:09:26] nothing listed [18:10:08] By any chance you have another link of evdience? @Inkster ? [18:10:56] > @CVT Actually, this is harassment. @Inkster Were there more than instance, and have you asked MeMeGuYWasLost not to contact you or interact with you? [18:11:41] @Cocopuff2018 Do not comment if you do not understand. [18:11:52] He's been harassing me for a whole week. [18:11:57] And he blocked me. [18:12:35] > He's been harassing me for a whole week. @Inkster Okay, but have you told him you find his behaviour to be harassment and not to contact you or interact with you, construed broadly? If not, I'd suggest doing this, then if he continues, we have a CoC issue. [18:12:44] and GS and stewards can take action appropriately. [18:13:01] I tried to tell him, but he denied his harassment. [18:13:22] > I tried to tell him, but he denied his harassment. @Inkster Link to where you tried to contact him, then we may have something. [18:13:22] Did he use other accounts to contact you? [18:13:40] @Cocopuff2018 It's okay, you can sit this one out, thanks. 🙂 [18:13:58] Alright i am going back on idle [18:14:04] ok, thanks 🙂 [18:14:16] I can't even contact him because I'm blocked. [18:14:32] @Inkster Have you e-mailed him on his Meta user page? [18:14:48] or you could also attempt to talk to him on his meta talk page and engage in a civil conversation [18:14:51] Ixve been blocked from email. [18:14:53] or posted on his Meta user talk page, telling him not to contact you or message you via block summary? [18:15:25] He's not the onoy one who's harassed me. [18:15:32] Who else was there? [18:15:37] Portrock1566 [18:15:52] It would perhaps be useful if you could provide some specific links for us and for @Stewards so they can investigate [18:15:56] He calls me "Dickster" all the time, which is harassment, and insulting. [18:16:07] I agree, that's definitely inappropriate and a violation of the CoC [18:16:22] @Inkster Okay, then you should engage in a civil conversation on their Meta user talk pages as @Reception123 and I said, provide your warning not to harass you with disparaging block summaries. Then we have a CoC issue if they continute [18:16:35] > Portrock calls me "Dickster" all the time, which is harassment, and insulting. @Inkster yeah that's not appropriately either [18:16:43] Portrock here violated the CoC. [18:17:00] @Inkster Yes, and I would note that QwertyMan' [18:17:32] Portrock1566 has been doing it a lot. [18:18:19] And even he isn't aware of this. [18:18:40] That being said, I have seen similar uncivil block summaries from you in the past as well, and hope you are attempting to turn over a new leaf in that regard. [18:19:21] I am. [18:23:08] @Inkster This definitely warrants a thorough investigation, and I think all administrators' actions on Toxic & Hateful Fandoms and Horrible Vyonders wikis needs to be assessed by stewards and GS, and then we need to come up with a solution that puts this issue to bed. It is likely to involve some sort of global interaction ban between the key parties in the dispute, to be honest [18:23:45] Port has been causing problems since last week. [18:24:39] Toxic & Hateful Fandoms and Horrible Vyonders wikis do tend to have the most issues when it comes to user's [18:24:45] @Inkster That may well be, but we can't just look at the behaviour of one user in isolation; we have to look at the origins of the dispute, and then craft a solution that eliminates or mitigates the problem(s) [18:25:25] Well, he started calling me "Dickster" after I was blocked on Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki. [18:26:05] Before this, he did the same to another nlocked user named Zenko, calling her "Zenny". [18:26:16] He did this for nearly a year. [18:27:09] @Doug there seems to be this odd account https://horriblevyonderswiki.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Anonymous_Investigator [18:27:10] [ User:Anonymous Investigator - Horrible Vyonders Wiki ] - horriblevyonderswiki.miraheze.org [18:29:13] @Inkster I would suggest taking the time to chronicle the key events over the past year, and then forward those to stewards@miraheze.org. If you do not hear back from them within several weeks to a month, then e-mail conduct@miraheze.org and, while we may not be able to hear the case yet at that point, we can investigate it and compel stewards to investigate and provide a response to you [19:05:47] > Possible Vandalism? on horriblevyonderswikiwiki: Omar mcmillan edited [[Special:Log/comments]] add : summary Omar mcmillan posted a new comment on [[User:Rainstorm1650]]: FuCk YoU > Possible Vandalism? on awfultwitteruserswikiwiki: HellLord edited [[Special:Log/comments]] add : summary HellLord posted a new comment on [[Skai Jackson]]: Getting a kid expelled and parents fired?! '''Fucking [19:05:48] hell, she needs to be stopped now''' @CVT Those comments are both highly problematic and should be deleted as GS/steward actions if not locally dealt with. [19:05:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Skai_Jackson [19:05:49] [ Skai Jackson - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [20:38:37] (inkster is here playing his victim card lol) [20:40:56] > Before this, he did the same to another blocked user named Zenko, calling her "Zenny". and stop white-knighting zenny ok? [20:45:04] She did bad things to people including myself. She caused the damages first and now I still have a debt to the Reception WIkis. [20:46:06] OOF [20:47:07] > and stop white-knighting zenny ok? @Lamborghini446 I would just point out that whiteknighting has no defined meaning in Miraheze global policies. [20:48:41] > She did bad things to people including myself. She caused the damages first and now I still have a debt to the Reception WIkis. @Portrock1566 Can you expand on this a bit when you say you still "have a debt to the Reception wikis"? I think this may go to the root of the problem here, at least in consideration as it relates to you. [20:57:49] > Toxic & Hateful Fandoms and Horrible Vyonders wikis do tend to have the most issues when it comes to user's @Cocopuff2018 it's Toxic Fandoms and & Hatedom Wikis [20:59:12] Alright. I deliberately ignored the Zenko controversy in 2019 because I was over-optimistic that other people could handle it independently. Although I personally detested her the from the beginning and I was the opposite of her in terms of views and personality, I didn't want to embrace being powerful or important back then and instead sought to preserve my humility. I preferred dealing with that conflict through pacifistic [20:59:12] means until the time where Zenko insulted Voltuse forced me to take a more belligerent stance. I was considered to be one of the most important people in it. Although others and I did finally soothed the tensions and my reputation isn't dented despite it being my worst mistake, I've got so much to make up for the fact that I failed to mitigate the scars of the Zenko Controversy in time. Hence this is why I try to compensate to Reception [20:59:13] Wikis by working there as much as I could in hope that I could help heal the scars that I didn't prevent earlier. [21:01:35] @Portrock1566 The part I agree with is where you say you approached conflict through pacifistic means. I don't know the whole issue, but it seems to me, in large part, the core problem is that your group needs to put this "Zenko controversy" to bed. In short, put it past you, and make nice with everyone, including Zenko. To what end does it serve to keep up this hostility? [21:11:52] It's due to how much my friends suffered. My peers were constantly berated by her. And of course there's the aforementioned time she insulted Voltuse, a close friend of mine. In private messages the arguably worst part is that she blatantly called her out for having "mental problems". I suffered a similar fate to hers. Except Zenko gave me different criticisms and told me to have sex with Voltuse because I "brainwashed" her [21:11:53] (I'm not kidding). The other is the propaganda she managed to promote. Most if not all traces of it is gone and former victims have been liberated from her ideology. I've actually gotten over that. It's more of the former part (behavior) that I hold grudges over. And that's reflective of my real life personality. The strict authority style of my parents, the people I've been exposed to, my philosophy, culture, environment in general, etc [21:11:53] eroded my mercy capacity as I aged. [21:19:04] Yet you call me names, which, news flash, violates the Code of Conduct, Portrock. [21:20:59] He's doing that for satire purposes, jeez that's all. [21:22:11] I myself personally don't get offended easily. I don't feel anything when someone cusses at me. But when someone says a slur or something actually degrading then that crosses the line. [21:22:52] Satire or not, it's still a CoC violation. [21:24:58] > (inkster is here playing his victim card lol) [21:32:32] I think all of you have likely violated the Code of Conduct. One needs only look at your edit and block summaries, the question becomes, how do we move past this way, so you (a) don't cause more hurt feelings of each other and, secondarily, (b) create too much work for stewards that it becomes too much of a burden to police your wikis? [21:41:38] @Portrock1566 @Inkster @Hookuai @Lamborghini446 @Cocopuff2018: Please don't just drag drama up. If you have conduct complaints, handle them in a polite, reasonable and calm manner. If you need Steward/CoCC intervention then please let either team know. [21:42:05] @Cocopuff2018: Do not but into debates that you don't have to be part of just to cause a reaction. [21:42:12] ok [21:42:14] sorry [21:43:17] Sorry bout that [21:53:16] https://tenor.com/view/ok-sorry-homer-simpson-the-simpsons-gif-9894844 [21:53:17] [ Ok Sorry GIF - Ok Sorry HomerSimpson - Discover & Share GIFs ] - tenor.com [22:01:24] @RhinosF1 At my encouragement, I was trying to help them resolve the core of their issues, hoping we can make some modest progress toward them forgiving each other and actually ending this drama. [22:17:04] @RhinosF1 Sorry. [22:20:07] @Portrock1566 It's okay, I told @RhinosF1 that I had encouraged several of you to open up about the past issues so we can try and move past them. That part is not really the problem; the problem lies in users' on-wiki conduct (not just your conduct, but other users, including, but by no means limited to Inkster, Hookuai, MeMeGuYWasLost, DuchessTheSponge, HellLord, Moe, et al.). Hopefully we can one day resolve this and move forward. [22:21:04] its kinda on me aswell i shouldnt of gotten involved [22:21:35] @Doug [23:00:43] > I think all of you have likely violated the Code of Conduct. One needs only look at your edit and block summaries, the question becomes, how do, and can, we move past this, so you (a) don't cause more hurt feelings of each other and, secondarily, (b) create too much work for stewards that it becomes too much of a burden to police your wikis? This [23:01:30] you think or for sure [23:45:44] > you think or for sure @Cocopuff2018 Well, NDKilla did say, "this," which, by Discord conversational convention, suggests one believes in or in some way supports the text quoted above. [23:50:46] why someone put a heart you dont know the guy? [23:54:22] > why someone put a heart you dont know the guy? @Cocopuff2018 Doesn't Instagram and Twitter use a ❤️ to "like" a post or tweet? I used it in that spirit. [23:57:51] uhh i think