[00:28:21] @Zppix You around for a bit? [02:21:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%CE%9C%CF%80%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B12006&oldid=118052 They've spread there. When you've globally locked Favonian & Tegel, please rollback that page's edits to that revision. @CVT @Stewards Pinging @System Administrators as this may warrant a rare emergency sysadmin action with no CVT and steward available. [02:21:03] [ User talk:Μπέλα2006 - Miraheze Meta ] - meta.miraheze.org [03:15:44] At least blocked on Meta and everything sorted. Sorry for the long delay, i was asleep... [03:54:34] > At least blocked on Meta and everything sorted. Sorry for the long delay, i was asleep... @MrJaroslavik Thanks...yeah, we can live with a local block until they're globally blocked. [14:19:17] > 07:07, 6 August 2020 User account IamASockPuppet talk contribs was created automatically [15:00:39] 👀 [15:07:05] Hey @NDKilla [15:39:47] Welcome marx. If you need to report spam or abuse, please feel free to notify any of the voiced (+v) users, if it contains personal information you can pm them, or email us at cvt [at] miraheze.org [19:54:49] Hi (: anyone here? [20:00:39] @Cocopuff2018 Look to your right, or left, in your IRC client to see the list of online users in that IRC channel. [20:01:14] got it [20:19:17] To be fair that doesn't show discord users or whether or not people are actually here [20:19:34] But on the same note if you have something to say you should just say it [20:27:23] I'm only rarely here, but I'm nearly always listed [20:29:37] Hi [20:35:50] > But on the same note if you have something to say you should just say it +1 to this. [20:36:37] @rhinosF1 may i ask how you plan to fix moviepedia wiki's contents? [20:36:55] Cocopuff2018: Extension: HeaderFooter [20:37:02] what will that do? [20:40:38] Cocopuff2018: add a footer to every page in the main namespace [20:40:51] Welcome dmehus. If you need to report spam or abuse, please feel free to notify any of the voiced (+v) users, if it contains personal information you can pm them, or email us at cvt [at] miraheze.org [20:40:55] ok then will the pages be saved from copy right issues ? [20:41:55] Yes Cocopuff2018 [20:42:37] Cocopuff2018: enable Header Footer in ManageWiki/extensions and I'll do the text now [20:42:45] OK [20:43:54] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kOT60EEC/ [20:43:54] [ Snippet | IRCCloud ] - www.irccloud.com [20:46:25] Cocopuff2018: you don't need them [20:46:38] Actually ask @Owen if IMDb is okay [20:46:41] See https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/general-information/can-i-use-imdb-data-in-my-software/G5JTRESSHJBBHTGX# [20:46:41] [ IMDb | Help ] - help.imdb.com [20:48:37] @RhinosF1, it should be so long as @Cocopuff2018 doesn't copy, verbatim, more than 10% of each IMDb page (depending on Fair Use limits in the United States). If not copying verbatim and @Cocopuff2018 cites his sources, it should be fine. [20:49:05] i am only using the cast list is that ok to do @dmehus [20:50:12] @Cocopuff2018, it should be fine as that's common knowledge. They don't have exclusive rights to listings of that content. Cite your source as a citation and it should be fine. [20:50:57] How do i cite source as a citation [20:51:51] @Cocopuff, well, you usually need a citation template, but can be done with just the tags manually, and then a {{Reflist}} template in your == References == section. [20:52:02] Ye [20:52:04] @Cocopuff2018* even [20:52:13] i have over 1,000 pages i cannot do it for every page [20:52:17] Cocopuff2018: let's use header footer and hope [20:52:24] ok [20:52:58] going to go enable it [20:53:22] yeah, I doubt they would complain; they're probably not going to worry about your wiki; it's probably already on English Wikipedia as well...plus it's Amazon...I don't think they're known for being particularly aggressive about content poaching :P [20:54:33] Cocopuff2018: added [20:56:22] so now its not breaking copy right rules ? and its good to make public again? [20:57:59] Cocopuff2018: done, yes and if you want to suppress it on Individual pages then see what I did to the main page [20:58:50] thanks [20:59:03] (: [21:39:28] Rhinos just checking since we added that stuff to those pages does that mean you guys will not be forced to shutdown my wiki? [21:43:14] I'm not a lawyer but I don't see any reason why IMDb could argue it [21:43:22] Or could care to be honest [21:46:42] ^ @Cocopuff2018, it's good you're thinking about these things, but I remember reading that Miraheze can attempt to argue a defense if it received a DMCA takedown notice. For something like a simple cast list, which is essentially common knowledge for that industry/segment, it's not even really copyrightable. [21:46:56] I wouldn't worry about it. [21:47:28] .help tell [21:47:29] Give someone a message the next time they're seen [21:47:29] e.g. MirahezeBot, tell dgw he broke something again. [21:47:44] .tell Cocopuff2018 it's good you're thinking about these things, but I remember reading that Miraheze can attempt to argue a defense if it received a DMCA takedown notice. For something like a simple cast list, which is essentially common knowledge for that industry/segment, it's not even really copyrightable. [21:47:44] dmehus: I'll pass that on when Cocopuff2018 is around. [21:48:06] if a DMCA complaint is passed onto miraheze will my wiki be deleted? [21:48:06] Cocopuff2018: 2020-08-06 - 21:47:44UTC tell Cocopuff2018 it's good you're thinking about these things, but I remember reading that Miraheze can attempt to argue a defense if it received a DMCA takedown notice. For something like a simple cast list, which is essentially common knowledge for that industry/segment, it's not even really copyrightable. [21:48:57] Cocopuff2018: as a very last resort after attempts to do everything we can to avoid that situation [21:49:18] @Cocopuff2018, see my message I left for you above. Also, Miraheze can attempt to defend against a DMCA complaint. I'm not sure how many DMCA complaints they've received, but suspect it's mainly related to copyrighted videos and sound recordings. [21:49:30] have you guys ever Got DMCA Complaints before? [21:50:37] i Dont think they ever have its only been 5 years and plus DMCA has other things to do then watch over us. [21:52:40] @Cocopuff2018 DMCA is a piece of U.S. legislation, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, that can be issued to website operators that serve U.S. residents, I believe. It's not an organization or person, but since Miraheze serves U.S. residents, it has to action DMCA complaints. [21:53:50] but yes, in this case, I highly doubt Amazon/IMDb would even care to try and make an issue with you using publicly-available cast lists available on multiple websites, especially when you're, in good-faith, adding a link to IMDb in your wiki's footer [21:59:50] Weve received many DMCA requests and have never acted in the interest of the offenders [22:01:06] The dmca legally requires "safe harbor" hosts to remove any comment by a validly filed dmca request. It's up to the person that uploaded said content (wiki users, in this case) to file a valid counter claim if they want the content restored. Note that filing a counter claim can subject you (not miraheze) to a legal battle [22:01:23] Any content* [22:05:18] @NDKilla, we should probably update that page on Meta that says otherwise, then, no? [22:06:56] Is there a page about that on meta? [22:07:02] Also why'd you both switch to irc [22:07:07] :squint: [22:10:54] > Also why'd you both switch to irc @NDKilla Haven't switched, but mainly used it because there's no TestWiki Discord server. [22:11:45] > Is there a page about that on meta? @NDKilla I thought I read something about that on Meta...let me find where it says that. [22:16:26] (Related to the potential OC, dmca requests would be interesting stats in a transparency report) [22:16:46] It should also be noted that weve also on occasion removed content at the request of a user even when it wasnt a valid DMCA [22:18:06] > It should also be noted that weve also on occasion removed content at the request of a user even when it wasnt a valid DMCA @NDKilla Would these be all related to duplicate content fork wikis where stewards were unable to mediate some sort of compromise between the two wikis? [22:19:55] No? I only actually remember one instance of the situation you describe [22:20:21] Generally speaking content that goes against our content policies or other legal grounds to remove content [22:20:36] (There are laws besides the DMCA, the dmca is just copyright specific and very formal [22:27:12] @NDKilla Okay, yeah, that would make for interesting statistics for sure.